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Scanning the PCs for RPC Vulnerability.


From: "Nadeem Rafi" <nrafi () jeraisy com>
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:02:27 +0300

I have found some faults in the scanning tools available from Foundstone and Microsoft for RPC vulnerable machines. 
Both of  these tools are not error free. These tools are showing the ip addresses of even those machines which are 
Windows 9x, Windows98/Sec, Windows ME. Both tools are not free from this error.
And Foundstone's RPC Scan tool is even more error prone. If you even applied all the patches in correct  sequence even 
then some of my machines are reported as "Vulnerable".
 
Any body have any experience with these problems or any suggestions please let me know.
 
Best Regards,
 
Nadeem Rafi

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        Today's Topics:
        
           1. Re: Tracking a virus by logging infected machines (Joel R. Helgeson)
           2. RE: New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service? (Tiago Halm)
           3. RE: Tracking a virus by logging infected machines (Richard M. Smith)
           4. Re: New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service? (Tim)
           5. Re: New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service? (Tim)
           6. Re: New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service? (Tim)
           7. RE: New Microsoft Internet Explorer
               mshtml.dll Denial of Service? (nonleft)
           8. Re: New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service? (morning_wood)
           9. RE: New Microsoft Internet Explorer  mshtml.dll Denial of Service? (Tiago Halm)
          10. RE: New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service? (Schmehl, Paul L)
          11. RE: New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service? (Steve Wray)
          12. RE: New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service? (Steve Wray)
          13. Re: JAP back doored (Daniel Tams)
          14. sans.org (lepkie)
          15. Re: sans.org (Marcus Graf)
          16. Re: sans.org (martin f krafft)
          17. RE: sans.org (Jerry Heidtke)
          18. Re: sans.org - OFFTOPIC (Kurt Seifried)
          19. RE: sans.org (Ryan Lowdermilk)
          20. Re: sans.org (B3r3n)
          21. Re: sans.org (Bernie, CTA)
          22. RE: sans.org (Joshua Thomas)
          23. Re: sans.org (Ben Nelson)
          24. RE: sans.org (NDG)
          25. Re: atari800 (200309-07) (- o s g o -)
          26. RE: sans.org (Richard M. Smith)
          27. RE: Email for sans.org? (Richard M. Smith)
          28. Re: sans.org (james)
          29. RE: sans.org - OFFTOPIC (David Vincent)
          30. The Worm tard who got busted (Andre Ludwig)
          31. Re: sans.org (Kurt Seifried)
          32. Re: New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service? (Tim)
        
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        Message: 1
        From: "Joel R. Helgeson" <joel () helgeson com>
        To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Tracking a virus by logging infected machines
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:06:54 -0500
        
        Why would any virus writer do this?  This leads a clear audit trail that
        would lead the authorities directly back to the creator.
        
        I suppose it wouldn't be a bad thing if the virus author was looking for
        some free room & board for the next 5-10 years.
        
        Joel R. Helgeson
        Director of Networking & Security Services
        SymetriQ Corporation
        
        "Give a man fire, and he'll be warm for a day; set a man on fire, and he'll
        be warm for the rest of his life."
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Richard M. Smith" <rms () computerbytesman com>
        To: <jasonc () science org>; <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:38 PM
        Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Tracking a virus by logging infected machines
        
        
        > Hi Jason,
        >
        >    >>> Is there any way to determine who the winner is?
        >
        > Not that I want to encourage virus writing, but I think it would be very
        > helpful to gather infection statistics if a  virus were to keep a log of
        > the IP addresses of all the machines it infected.  The log could be
        > appended to the end of the executable file of the virus.  Each copy of a
        > worm or virus would contain a record of one branch of the tree of
        > infected machines.
        >
        > To make a log easy to locate and extract, the log can start with an
        > easily identified string such as "VIRUS INFECTION LOG\n".  IP addresses
        > should be recorded in ASCII with a \n between each IP address.
        >
        > Richard
        >
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        Message: 2
        From: "Tiago Halm" <thalm () netcabo pt>
        To: "'Pellmann Paul'" <pel () adv magwien gv at>,
           <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:36:30 +0100
        
        Paul has a point here, I believe!
        
        After a **lot** of html code "trimming" I came with an offline version of
        the page like this:
        
        ------------------------------------------------------
        <html>
        <body>
        <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
        <tr>
            <td><img src="http://www.galad.com/frame/e1x1.gif"; width="1" height="1"
        alt=""></td>
        </tr>
        </table>
        </body>
        </html>
        -------------------------------------------------------
        
        and this piece of code does crash my browser (6.0.2800.1106)
        on windows 2000 server all patches and fixes up to date.
        
        NOTE: Every time you **want** the browser to crash, you must delete it from
        the "Temporary Internet Files" before loading it in your browser.
        
        Although this image (e1x1.gif) is 1x1 GIF, ACDSee Classic calls it a "Bad or
        unrecognized image header".
        Does this image, in some way, affects the way IE does the parsing?
        Seems like it...
        
        Regards,
        Tiago Halm
        
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
        [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Pellmann Paul
        Sent: terça-feira, 2 de Setembro de 2003 16:20
        To: 'full-disclosure () lists netsys com'
        Subject: AW: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll
        Denial of Service?
        
        
        This seems to be caused by the 1x1 image http://www.galad.com/frame/e1x1.gif
        used within the page. If I block this URL the IE stops crashing with that
        page.
        
        cu
        Paul
        
        
        > > Its a mail client issue; doesn't happen if you click on
        > > a link from Internet Explorer.
        >
        > No, I am very sure that this happens also, if you follow the
        > link inside
        > a web page only (without an involving mail client).
        >
        > So go to http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html , scroll down and
        > click the link that says "Holger Hasselbach has translated several
        > issues of Crypto-Gram into German [...]". The error occurs as
        > described in my original posting.
        >
        > > Your mail headers don't exactly give away your own mail client.
        > > What would it be?
        >
        > Microsoft Outlook 2002 SP2 on Windows XP Professional
        >
        > Yours,
        >
        > Marc Ruef
        >
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        Message: 3
        From: "Richard M. Smith" <rms () computerbytesman com>
        To: "'Joel R. Helgeson'" <joel () helgeson com>,
           <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Tracking a virus by logging infected machines
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:43:43 -0400
        
        To show off. ;-)  The author of the Marker virus did exactly this.
        
        Richard
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
        [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Joel R.
        Helgeson
        Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:07 PM
        To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Tracking a virus by logging infected
        machines
        
        
        Why would any virus writer do this?  This leads a clear audit trail that
        would lead the authorities directly back to the creator.
        
        I suppose it wouldn't be a bad thing if the virus author was looking for
        some free room & board for the next 5-10 years.
        
        Joel R. Helgeson
        Director of Networking & Security Services
        SymetriQ Corporation
        
        "Give a man fire, and he'll be warm for a day; set a man on fire, and
        he'll
        be warm for the rest of his life."
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Richard M. Smith" <rms () computerbytesman com>
        To: <jasonc () science org>; <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:38 PM
        Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Tracking a virus by logging infected machines
        
        
        > Hi Jason,
        >
        >    >>> Is there any way to determine who the winner is?
        >
        > Not that I want to encourage virus writing, but I think it would be
        very
        > helpful to gather infection statistics if a  virus were to keep a log
        of
        > the IP addresses of all the machines it infected.  The log could be
        > appended to the end of the executable file of the virus.  Each copy of
        a
        > worm or virus would contain a record of one branch of the tree of
        > infected machines.
        >
        > To make a log easy to locate and extract, the log can start with an
        > easily identified string such as "VIRUS INFECTION LOG\n".  IP
        addresses
        > should be recorded in ASCII with a \n between each IP address.
        >
        > Richard
        >
        > _______________________________________________
        > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
        > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
        >
        
        _______________________________________________
        Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
        Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
        
        
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        Message: 4
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:38:07 -0700
        From: Tim <tim-security () sentinelchicken org>
        To: Tiago Halm <thalm () netcabo pt>
        Cc: "'Pellmann Paul'" <pel () adv magwien gv at>,
           full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        
        
        Interesting...
        
        > After a **lot** of html code "trimming" I came with an offline version of
        > the page like this:
        >
        > ------------------------------------------------------
        > <html>
        > <body>
        > <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
        > <tr>
        >     <td><img src="http://www.galad.com/frame/e1x1.gif"; width="1" height="1"
        > alt=""></td>
        > </tr>
        > </table>
        > </body>
        > </html>
        > -------------------------------------------------------
        >
        > and this piece of code does crash my browser (6.0.2800.1106)
        > on windows 2000 server all patches and fixes up to date.
        >
        > NOTE: Every time you **want** the browser to crash, you must delete it from
        > the "Temporary Internet Files" before loading it in your browser.
        >
        > Although this image (e1x1.gif) is 1x1 GIF, ACDSee Classic calls it a "Bad or
        > unrecognized image header".
        > Does this image, in some way, affects the way IE does the parsing?
        > Seems like it...
        
        
        Yeah, the GIF image is almost certainly mal-formed.  Not sure in what
        way yet, as I am no GIF expert.  Some interesting information though:
        
        Opening it in the GIMP produces the following errors on stderr:
        
        GIF: too much input data, ignoring extra...
        GIF: bogus character 0x00, ignoring
        
        
        The file's contents are:
        
        00000000   47 49 46 38  39 61 01 00  01 00 80 00  00 FF FF FF  GIF89a..........
        00000010   FF FF FF 21  F9 04 01 00  00 01 00 2C  00 00 00 00  ...!.......,....
        00000020   01 00 01 00  00 02 02 4C  01 00 3B                  .......L..;
        
        I then opened the file in the GIMP, and immediately saved it back to
        another gif file, and it wrote:
        
        00000000   47 49 46 38  39 61 01 00  01 00 80 00  00 FF FF FF  GIF89a..........
        00000010   00 00 00 21  F9 04 01 00  00 00 00 2C  00 00 00 00  ...!.......,....
        00000020   01 00 01 00  00 00 01 01  00 3B                     .........;
        
        
        Which obviously has some differences.  Anyone else better with GIF89a
        than I?
        
        tim
        
        
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        Message: 5
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:42:58 -0700
        From: Tim <tim-security () sentinelchicken org>
        To: Irwan Hadi <irwanhadi () phxby com>
        Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        
        > Even more interesting:
        > Received: from netsys.com (NETSYS.COM [199.201.233.10])
        >         by phxby.engr.usu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3F11443EF
        >         for <irwanhadi () phxby engr usu edu>; Tue,  2 Sep 2003 02:44:14
        > -0600 (MDT)
        > Received: from NETSYS.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1])
        >         by netsys.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h827wOx20101;
        >         Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:58:24 -0400 (EDT)
        > Received: from phxby.engr.usu.edu (phxby.engr.usu.edu [129.123.21.101])
        >         by netsys.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h827uUE19665
        >         for <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>; Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:56:30
        > -0400 (EDT)
        > Received: by phxby.engr.usu.edu (Postfix, from userid 501)
        >         id 6607B14438C; Tue,  2 Sep 2003 01:56:24 -0600 (MDT)
        >
        > I believe that for infosec stuffs, the faster information being
        > distributed/sent is the better. Late putting patch just because the
        > information come almost 1 hour later after it is sent might be
        > catastropic.
        
        I don't know about catastrophic, but it certainly should be faster.  I
        personally find the speed of this list unacceptable.  For large lists
        with high volume, a list server written in a scripting language like
        python isn't going to cut it, IMHO.  I vote for qmail w/ ezmlm(-idx).
        (That is, if we get a vote in the matter.)
        
        tim
        
        
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        Message: 6
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:51:45 -0700
        From: Tim <tim-security () sentinelchicken org>
        To: Tiago Halm <thalm () netcabo pt>
        Cc: "'Pellmann Paul'" <pel () adv magwien gv at>,
           full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        
        
        Error in my last post.  I switched the order of the original and GIMP
        produced .gif on accident.  To clarify:
        
        Original:
        
        00000000   47 49 46 38  39 61 01 00  01 00 80 00  00 FF FF FF  GIF89a..........
        00000010   00 00 00 21  F9 04 01 00  00 00 00 2C  00 00 00 00  ...!.......,....
        00000020   01 00 01 00  00 00 01 01  00 3B                     .........;
        
        
        Processed and re-saved by GIMP:
        
        00000000   47 49 46 38  39 61 01 00  01 00 80 00  00 FF FF FF  GIF89a..........
        00000010   FF FF FF 21  F9 04 01 00  00 01 00 2C  00 00 00 00  ...!.......,....
        00000020   01 00 01 00  00 02 02 4C  01 00 3B                  .......L..;
        
        
        tim
        
        
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        Message: 7
        Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:14:52 +0200
        To: "Tiago Halm" <thalm () netcabo pt>, "'Pellmann Paul'" <pel () adv magwien gv at>,
           <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        From: nonleft <nonleft () gmx net>
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer
          mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        
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        could you figure out if it is a webbug than or just a transgif for layout?
        
        kind regards
        nonleft
        
        
        At 17:36 02.09.2003 +0100, Tiago Halm wrote:
        >Paul has a point here, I believe!
        >
        >After a **lot** of html code "trimming" I came with an offline version of
        >the page like this:
        >
        >------------------------------------------------------
        >2bd125.jpg
        >-------------------------------------------------------
        >
        >and this piece of code does crash my browser (6.0.2800.1106)
        >on windows 2000 server all patches and fixes up to date.
        >
        >NOTE: Every time you **want** the browser to crash, you must delete it from
        >the "Temporary Internet Files" before loading it in your browser.
        >
        >Although this image (e1x1.gif) is 1x1 GIF, ACDSee Classic calls it a "Bad=
         or
        >unrecognized image header".
        >Does this image, in some way, affects the way IE does the parsing?
        >Seems like it...
        >
        >Regards,
        >Tiago Halm
        >
        >
        >-----Original Message-----
        >From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
        >[mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Pellmann Paul
        >Sent: ter=E7a-feira, 2 de Setembro de 2003 16:20
        >To: 'full-disclosure () lists netsys com'
        >Subject: AW: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll
        >Denial of Service?
        >
        >
        >This seems to be caused by the 1x1 image=
         http://www.galad.com/frame/e1x1.gif
        >used within the page. If I block this URL the IE stops crashing with that
        >page.
        >
        >cu
        >Paul
        >
        >
        > > > Its a mail client issue; doesn't happen if you click on
        > > > a link from Internet Explorer.
        > >
        > > No, I am very sure that this happens also, if you follow the
        > > link inside
        > > a web page only (without an involving mail client).
        > >
        > > So go to http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html , scroll down and
        > > click the link that says "Holger Hasselbach has translated several
        > > issues of Crypto-Gram into German [...]". The error occurs as
        > > described in my original posting.
        > >
        > > > Your mail headers don't exactly give away your own mail client.
        > > > What would it be?
        > >
        > > Microsoft Outlook 2002 SP2 on Windows XP Professional
        > >
        > > Yours,
        > >
        > > Marc Ruef
        > >
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        > >
        > > _______________________________________________
        > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
        > > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
        > >
        >
        >_______________________________________________
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        >
        >_______________________________________________
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        Message: 8
        From: "morning_wood" <se_cur_ity () hotmail com>
        To: "Tim" <tim-security () sentinelchicken org>,
           "Irwan Hadi" <irwanhadi () phxby com>
        Cc: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:23:09 -0700
        
        > > I believe that for infosec stuffs, the faster information being
        > > distributed/sent is the better. Late putting patch just because the
        > > information come almost 1 hour later after it is sent might be
        > > catastropic.
        >
        > I don't know about catastrophic, but it certainly should be faster.  I
        > personally find the speed of this list unacceptable.  For large lists
        > with high volume, a list server written in a scripting language like
        > python isn't going to cut it, IMHO.  I vote for qmail w/ ezmlm(-idx).
        > (That is, if we get a vote in the matter.)
        
        funny, i often see replies to my post long before i see my own post
        dont know why, does'nt always happen. But it is odd.
        Sometimes I wonder if the list is being siphoned for breaking sec info before
        the posts reach the subscribers.
        
        Donnie Werner
        http://e2-labs.com
        
        
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        Message: 9
        From: "Tiago Halm" <thalm () netcabo pt>
        To: "'nonleft'" <nonleft () gmx net>, "'Pellmann Paul'" <pel () adv magwien gv at>,
           <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer  mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:49:07 +0100
        
        My feeling is that the following facts:
        
        - rendering engine of IE, complemented with the "online" download of the
        image
        - possible malformation of the image
        
        lead to this outcome (browser crash).
        There must be some code inside mshtml.dll that "crashes" when parsing the
        image.
        
        I get this "Application" event with source "Microsoft Internet Explorer", ID
        = 1000:
        -------------
        Faulting application iexplore.exe, version 6.0.2800.1106, faulting module
        mshtml.dll, version 6.0.2800.1226, fault address 0x00180ede.
        -------------
        
        This is not a webbug. I think this is only a transgif for layout (as you put
        it).
        And IE should take the image as invalid and should not even try to display
        it.
        
        Regards,
        Tiago Halm
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: nonleft [mailto:nonleft () gmx net]
        Sent: terça-feira, 2 de Setembro de 2003 19:15
        To: Tiago Halm; 'Pellmann Paul'; full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll
        Denial of Service?
        
        
        could you figure out if it is a webbug than or just a transgif for layout?
        
        kind regards
        nonleft
        
        
        At 17:36 02.09.2003 +0100, Tiago Halm wrote:
        >Paul has a point here, I believe!
        >
        >After a **lot** of html code "trimming" I came with an offline version
        >of the page like this:
        >
        >------------------------------------------------------
        >2bd125.jpg
        >-------------------------------------------------------
        >
        >and this piece of code does crash my browser (6.0.2800.1106) on windows
        >2000 server all patches and fixes up to date.
        >
        >NOTE: Every time you **want** the browser to crash, you must delete it
        >from the "Temporary Internet Files" before loading it in your browser.
        >
        >Although this image (e1x1.gif) is 1x1 GIF, ACDSee Classic calls it a
        >"Bad or unrecognized image header". Does this image, in some way,
        >affects the way IE does the parsing? Seems like it...
        >
        >Regards,
        >Tiago Halm
        >
        >
        >-----Original Message-----
        >From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
        >[mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Pellmann
        >Paul
        >Sent: terça-feira, 2 de Setembro de 2003 16:20
        >To: 'full-disclosure () lists netsys com'
        >Subject: AW: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll
        >Denial of Service?
        >
        >
        >This seems to be caused by the 1x1 image
        >http://www.galad.com/frame/e1x1.gif
        >used within the page. If I block this URL the IE stops crashing with that
        >page.
        >
        >cu
        >Paul
        >
        >
        > > > Its a mail client issue; doesn't happen if you click on
        > > > a link from Internet Explorer.
        > >
        > > No, I am very sure that this happens also, if you follow the link
        > > inside a web page only (without an involving mail client).
        > >
        > > So go to http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html , scroll down
        > > and click the link that says "Holger Hasselbach has translated
        > > several issues of Crypto-Gram into German [...]". The error occurs
        > > as described in my original posting.
        > >
        > > > Your mail headers don't exactly give away your own mail client.
        > > > What would it be?
        > >
        > > Microsoft Outlook 2002 SP2 on Windows XP Professional
        > >
        > > Yours,
        > >
        > > Marc Ruef
        > >
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        > > Version: PGP 8.0
        > >
        > > iQA/AwUBP1Rw4Be5hzJzqVMhEQKFkACeOBaQowm8I6p0P2Fb12C4E2ndwgoAniRK
        > > qtApctQA9L1W78qDsE4Puuvz
        > > =m0et
        > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
        > >
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        Message: 10
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:31:06 -0500
        From: "Schmehl, Paul L" <pauls () utdallas edu>
        Cc: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: morning_wood [mailto:se_cur_ity () hotmail com]
        > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:23 PM
        > To: Tim; Irwan Hadi
        > Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet
        > Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        >
        > funny, i often see replies to my post long before i see my
        > own post dont know why, does'nt always happen. But it is odd.
        > Sometimes I wonder if the list is being siphoned for breaking
        > sec info before the posts reach the subscribers.
        
        More likely what you're seeing is the duplicate copy sent to your email
        address because the default for this list is reply to sender.  So most
        people just reply to all, and the cc list gets longer and longer and
        longer.  Later on, your post shows up on the list, so you see it then.
        But the replies come to you directly and much faster.
        
        Paul Schmehl (pauls () utdallas edu)
        Adjunct Information Security Officer
        The University of Texas at Dallas
        AVIEN Founding Member
        http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/
        
        
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        Message: 11
        From: "Steve Wray" <steve.wray () paradise net nz>
        To: "'Marc Ruef'" <maru () scip ch>, <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:04:36 +1200
        
        Ok I went there and no crash!
        :)
        Heres the html that I created to test the principal as
        well.
        
        My MSIE is 6.0.2800.1106.xpsp2.030422-1633
        
        I only experience the crash when clicking in Outlook 2002.
        
        
        [snip]
        > > Its a mail client issue; doesn't happen if you click on
        > > a link from Internet Explorer.
        >
        > No, I am very sure that this happens also, if you follow the
        > link inside
        > a web page only (without an involving mail client).
        >
        > So go to http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html , scroll down and
        > click the link that says "Holger Hasselbach has translated several
        > issues of Crypto-Gram into German [...]". The error occurs as
        > described
        > in my original posting.
        >
        > > Your mail headers don't exactly give away your own mail client.
        > > What would it be?
        >
        > Microsoft Outlook 2002 SP2 on Windows XP Professional
        >
        > Yours,
        >
        > Marc Ruef
        
        
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        Message: 12
        From: "Steve Wray" <steve.wray () paradise net nz>
        To: "'Tiago Halm'" <thalm () netcabo pt>,
           "'Pellmann Paul'" <pel () adv magwien gv at>,
           <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:16:21 +1200
        
        So why is it that visiting the page directly from MSIE
        from html like this;
        <html>
        <head>
        </head>
        <body>
        <a href="http://www.galad.com/extras/cg/cg.htm";>crash</a>
        </body>
        </html>
        
        I get no crash?
        But clicking through from outlook I do?
        Ie; clicking from outlook = crash
        clicking from IE = no crash
        clicking from outlook afterward = crash
        
        
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
        > [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of
        > Tiago Halm
        > Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2003 4:37 a.m.
        > To: 'Pellmann Paul'; full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        > Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet
        > Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        >
        >
        > Paul has a point here, I believe!
        >
        > After a **lot** of html code "trimming" I came with an
        > offline version of
        > the page like this:
        >
        > ------------------------------------------------------
        > <html>
        > <body>
        > <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
        > <tr>
        >     <td><img src="http://www.galad.com/frame/e1x1.gif";
        > width="1" height="1"
        > alt=""></td>
        > </tr>
        > </table>
        > </body>
        > </html>
        > -------------------------------------------------------
        >
        > and this piece of code does crash my browser (6.0.2800.1106)
        > on windows 2000 server all patches and fixes up to date.
        >
        > NOTE: Every time you **want** the browser to crash, you must
        > delete it from
        > the "Temporary Internet Files" before loading it in your browser.
        
        
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        Message: 13
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:22:02 +0200 (CEST)
        From: Daniel Tams <dantams () danieltams dyndns org>
        To: Helmut Hauser <helmut.hauser () intraplan de>
        cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] JAP back doored
        
        On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Helmut Hauser wrote:
        
        > The german police (BKA) striked again against the An.on Team
        >
        > See http://www.datenschutzzentrum.de/material/themen/presse/anon-bka.htm
        
        The choice of your subject line makes it seem that the article says that
        JAP has been backdoored again. The article does not say that. The article
        says that the police received a court order permitting them to enter and
        search the facilities of the Technical University of Dresden in order to
        find the data that was captured by the backdoor when it was in use.
        
        - Daniel
        
        
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        Message: 14
        Date: Tue,  2 Sep 2003 12:29:47 -0700
        To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Cc:
        From: "lepkie" <lepkie () hushmail com>
        Reply-To: lepkie () hustmail com
        Subject: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        
        maybe off topic
        
        can anyone resolve www.sans.org or www.incidents.org?
        I tried several name servers and none return an A record.
        
        %> host www.sans.org ns2.berkeley.edu
        %> host www.sans.org ns1.ems.psu.edu
        %> etc ....
        
        all report not found.
        
        Did they forget to pay the reg fee?
        
        
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        Message: 15
        From: "Marcus Graf" <m.graf () firmenwelt de>
        To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:11:41 +0200
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        
        > can anyone resolve www.sans.org or www.incidents.org?
        > I tried several name servers and none return an A record.
        
        no problems:
        www.sans.org => 65.173.218.106
        www.incidents.org => 63.100.47.45
        
        but the traceroute from here to www.sans.org dies at
        sl-escal-1-0-0.sprintlink.net [160.81.98.26]
        
        and the traceroute to www.incidents.org ist interesting:
        
        ...
        ... 500.ATM4-0.GW5.IAD5.ALTER.NET [152.63.43.137]
        ... 192.168.11.9 [192.168.11.9]
        
        misconfigured NAT ???
        
        Ciao
          Marcus
        
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        Message: 16
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 23:35:30 +0200
        From: martin f krafft <madduck () madduck net>
        To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Re: sans.org
        
        
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        also sprach lepkie <lepkie () hushmail com> [2003.09.02.2129 +0200]:
        > can anyone resolve www.sans.org or www.incidents.org?
        
        no.
        
        > Did they forget to pay the reg fee?
        
              Created on..............: Fri, Aug 04, 1995
              Expires on..............: Tue, Aug 03, 2010
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        They probably screwed up their nameserver. This is said to happen to
        even the pro's ;^>
        
        --=20
        martin;              (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
          \____ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; net@madduck
        =20
        invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver!
        =20
        obviously the human brain works like a computer.
        since there are no stupid computers humans can't be stupid.
        there are just a few running windoze.
        
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        Message: 17
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:41:24 -0500
        From: "Jerry Heidtke" <jheidtke () fmlh edu>
        To: "Marcus Graf" <m.graf () firmenwelt de>, <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        
        
        The administrator of dshield has this to say about resolving sans.org:
        
        > I didn't find a NS, which resolves sans.org or isc.sans.org.
        > Anyone else?
        Our registrar (register.com) had problems with sans.org and it did get
        removed from some root servers. Hopefully this will be fixed soon.
        DShield.org may be effected as it uses the same infrastructure. I did
        try to move mail server records to make them work without 'sans.org'.
        --
        --------------------------------------------------------------
        Johannes Ullrich
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Marcus Graf [mailto:m.graf () firmenwelt de]
        Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:12 PM
        To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        
        
        > can anyone resolve www.sans.org or www.incidents.org?
        > I tried several name servers and none return an A record.
        
        no problems:
        www.sans.org => 65.173.218.106
        www.incidents.org => 63.100.47.45
        
        but the traceroute from here to www.sans.org dies at
        sl-escal-1-0-0.sprintlink.net [160.81.98.26]
        
        and the traceroute to www.incidents.org ist interesting:
        
        ...
        ... 500.ATM4-0.GW5.IAD5.ALTER.NET [152.63.43.137]
        ... 192.168.11.9 [192.168.11.9]
        
        misconfigured NAT ???
        
        Ciao
          Marcus
        
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        Message: 18
        Reply-To: "Kurt Seifried" <listuser () seifried org>
        From: "Kurt Seifried" <listuser () seifried org>
        To: <lepkie () hustmail com>, <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org - OFFTOPIC
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:41:24 -0600
        
        In a word: yes. They work fine. Your DNS is buggered. Next time I suggest
        checking a website such as Sam Spade before emailing a list with thousands
        of subscribers for something as ridiculously trivial as this.
        
        
        Kurt Seifried, kurt () seifried org
        A15B BEE5 B391 B9AD B0EF
        AEB0 AD63 0B4E AD56 E574
        http://seifried.org/security/
        
        
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "lepkie" <lepkie () hushmail com>
        To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:29 PM
        Subject: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        
        
        > maybe off topic
        >
        > can anyone resolve www.sans.org or www.incidents.org?
        > I tried several name servers and none return an A record.
        >
        > %> host www.sans.org ns2.berkeley.edu
        > %> host www.sans.org ns1.ems.psu.edu
        > %> etc ....
        >
        > all report not found.
        >
        > Did they forget to pay the reg fee?
        >
        >
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        Message: 19
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:45:09 -0700
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        To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        
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        Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:45:10 +0200
        To: lepkie () hustmail com, full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        From: B3r3n <B3r3n () argosnet com>
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        
         From France, sans.org resolves ok but not www.incidents.org
        
        # dig www.incidents.org
        
        ; <<>> DiG 8.3 <<>> www.incidents.org
        ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
        ;; got answer:
        ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 2
        ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0
        ;; QUERY SECTION:
        ;;      www.incidents.org, type = A, class = IN
        
        ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
        org.                    2h58m24s IN SOA  A7.NSTLD.COM. DOMADMIN.ULTRADNS.NET. (
                                                 2003168420      ; serial
                                                 30M             ; refresh
                                                 15M             ; retry
                                                 1W              ; expiry
                                                 1D )            ; minimum
        
        
        ;; Total query time: 2 msec
        ;; WHEN: Tue Sep  2 23:44:07 2003
        ;; MSG SIZE  sent: 35  rcvd: 104
        
        
        
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        Message: 21
        From: "Bernie, CTA" <cta () hcsin net>
        Organization: HCSIN
        To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:46:50 -0400
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        Reply-to: cta () hcsin net
        CC: "lepkie" <lepkie () hushmail com>
        
        nslookup say:
        NS1.HOMEPC.ORG is authoritative for
        sans.org and incidents.org
        
        Server:         NS1.HOMEPC.ORG
        Address:        66.129.1.102#53
        
        Name:   www.sans.org
        Address: 65.173.218.106
        
        and
        Server:         NS1.HOMEPC.ORG
        Address:        66.129.1.102#53
        
        www.incidents.org       canonical name = incidents.org.
        Name:   incidents.org
        Address: 63.100.47.45
        
        I can get to their webs by IP and http://isc.incidents.org/, so
        maybe someone infected the root servers, www CNAMEs?
        
        
        
        On 2 Sep 2003 at 12:29, lepkie wrote:
        
        > maybe off topic
        >
        > can anyone resolve www.sans.org or www.incidents.org?
        > I tried several name servers and none return an A record.
        >
        > %> host www.sans.org ns2.berkeley.edu
        > %> host www.sans.org ns1.ems.psu.edu
        > %> etc ....
        >
        > all report not found.
        >
        > Did they forget to pay the reg fee?
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        Message: 22
        From: Joshua Thomas <JThomas () poweronemedia com>
        To: "'lepkie () hustmail com'" <lepkie () hustmail com>,
           full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:52:18 -0400
        
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        Not I, either. Nor a number of other people I've asked.
        
        Someone can resolve it to 65.173.218.106, which does appear to be the SANS
        portal site.
        
        Big DNS mistake? Hack? Didn't pay the bill? We'll find out eventually.
        
        Joshua Thomas
        Network Operations Engineer
        PowerOne Media, Inc.
        tel: 518-687-6143
        jthomas () poweronemedia com
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: lepkie [mailto:lepkie () hushmail com]
        Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 3:30 PM
        To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Subject: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        
        
        maybe off topic
        
        can anyone resolve www.sans.org or www.incidents.org?
        I tried several name servers and none return an A record.
        
        %> host www.sans.org ns2.berkeley.edu
        %> host www.sans.org ns1.ems.psu.edu
        %> etc ....
        
        all report not found.
        
        Did they forget to pay the reg fee?
        
        
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        <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Not I, either. Nor a number of other people I've =
        asked.</FONT>
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        <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Someone can resolve it to 65.173.218.106, which does =
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        <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Big DNS mistake? Hack? Didn't pay the bill? We'll =
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        <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Joshua Thomas</FONT>
        <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Network Operations Engineer</FONT>
        <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>PowerOne Media, Inc.</FONT>
        <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>tel: 518-687-6143</FONT>
        <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>jthomas () poweronemedia com </FONT>
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        <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
        <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: lepkie [<A =
        HREF=3D"mailto:lepkie () hushmail com">mailto:lepkie () hushmail com</A>]</FON=
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        <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 3:30 PM</FONT>
        <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com</FONT>
        <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org</FONT>
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        <BR>
        
        <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>maybe off topic</FONT>
        </P>
        
        <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>can anyone resolve www.sans.org or =
        www.incidents.org?</FONT>
        <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I tried several name servers and none return an A =
        record.</FONT>
        </P>
        
        <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>%&gt; host www.sans.org ns2.berkeley.edu</FONT>
        <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>%&gt; host www.sans.org ns1.ems.psu.edu</FONT>
        <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>%&gt; etc ....</FONT>
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        <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>all report not found.</FONT>
        </P>
        
        <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Did they forget to pay the reg fee?</FONT>
        </P>
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        Message: 23
        Date: Tue,  2 Sep 2003 15:16:34 -0600
        From: "Ben Nelson" <lists () venom600 org>
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        To: lepkie () hustmail com
        Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        
        I have 3 geographically dispersed data centers and 2 of the 3 can look up
        those names successfully.  The one that can not look them up can not look
        up www.giac.org either.
        
        
        On September 2, 1:29 pm "lepkie" <lepkie () hushmail com> wrote:
        > maybe off topic
        >
        > can anyone resolve www.sans.org or www.incidents.org?
        > I tried several name servers and none return an A record.
        >
        > %> host www.sans.org ns2.berkeley.edu
        > %> host www.sans.org ns1.ems.psu.edu
        > %> etc ....
        >
        > all report not found.
        >
        > Did they forget to pay the reg fee?
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        Message: 24
        From: "NDG" <nom.de.guerre () bonbon net>
        To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:43:45 -0500
        
        
        Ya know - I've been meaning to post this all day
        Marq@securitynewsportal said he was getting there intermittently this
        morning
        So - I figured it was just a matter of time before I could get there from
        here
        
        
        
        
        maybe off topic
        
        can anyone resolve www.sans.org or www.incidents.org?
        I tried several name servers and none return an A record.
        
        %> host www.sans.org ns2.berkeley.edu
        %> host www.sans.org ns1.ems.psu.edu
        %> etc ....
        
        all report not found.
        
        Did they forget to pay the reg fee?
        
        
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        Message: 25
        Reply-To: "- o s g o -" <osgo () hotmail com>
        From: "- o s g o -" <osgo () hotmail com>
        To: <bugtraq () securityfocus com>, <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 14:37:19 -0700
        Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Re: atari800 (200309-07)
        
        I think it's wonderful that in today's world, whenever we want to play:
        "Pong" or "Claim Jumper," circa 1982, there's always someone out of the last
        5 remaining earth-bound gamers warning us about a BO, r00ting the box and
        possibly turning the Atari800 emulator into an Intellivision.®   Or worse.
        
        I'm deeply encouraged that the last of the "Great Five Players" can safely
        continue their gaming experience.   Just don't mess with "Pole Position...."
        That's where I draw the line, OK?
        
        Warmest personal regards,
        -osgo
        
        > PACKAGE : atari800
        > SUMMARY : buffer overflow
        > DATE : 2003-09-02 14:03 UTC
        > EXPLOIT : local
        > VERSIONS AFFECTED : <atari800-1.3.0-r1
        > FIXED VERSION : >=atari800-1.3.0-r1
        > CVE : CAN-2003-0630
        >
        > - - - --------------------------------------------------------------------
        -
        >
        > atar800 contains a buffer overflow which could be used by an attacker
        > to gain root privileges. Altough the atari800 package in Gentoo does not
        > install any files suid root we encourage our users to upgrade.
        
        
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        Message: 26
        From: "Richard M. Smith" <rms () computerbytesman com>
        To: <cta () hcsin net>, <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Cc: "'lepkie'" <lepkie () hushmail com>
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:38:03 -0400
        
        Did someone at Register.com get conned to switch the name servers for
        SANS to homepc.org?  SANS has their domain name registeration with
        Register.com:
        
        Technical Contact:
              Register.Com
              Domain Registrar
              575 8th Avenue
              New York, NY 10018
              US
              Phone: 902-749-2701
              Fax..: 902-749-5429
              Email: domain-registrar () register com
        
        Richard
        
        -----Original Message-----
        From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
        [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Bernie, CTA
        Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 5:47 PM
        To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Cc: lepkie
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        
        
        nslookup say:
        NS1.HOMEPC.ORG is authoritative for
        sans.org and incidents.org
        
        Server:         NS1.HOMEPC.ORG
        Address:        66.129.1.102#53
        
        Name:   www.sans.org
        Address: 65.173.218.106
        
        and
        Server:         NS1.HOMEPC.ORG
        Address:        66.129.1.102#53
        
        www.incidents.org       canonical name = incidents.org.
        Name:   incidents.org
        Address: 63.100.47.45
        
        I can get to their webs by IP and http://isc.incidents.org/, so
        maybe someone infected the root servers, www CNAMEs?
        
        
        
        On 2 Sep 2003 at 12:29, lepkie wrote:
        
        > maybe off topic
        >
        > can anyone resolve www.sans.org or www.incidents.org?
        > I tried several name servers and none return an A record.
        >
        > %> host www.sans.org ns2.berkeley.edu
        > %> host www.sans.org ns1.ems.psu.edu
        > %> etc ....
        >
        > all report not found.
        >
        > Did they forget to pay the reg fee?
        >
        >
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        Message: 27
        From: "Richard M. Smith" <rms () computerbytesman com>
        To: <cta () hcsin net>, <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Cc: "'lepkie'" <lepkie () hushmail com>
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Email for sans.org?
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:42:06 -0400
        
        Any idea who is receiving email messages being sent to sans.org?
        
        Richard
        
        
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        Message: 28
        From: "james" <hackerwacker () cybermesa com>
        To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:03:49 -0600
        
        gtld's can't seem to point an NS to these domains:
        
        [root@mrtg mrtg]# nslookup
        > server k.gtld-servers.net   
        Default server: k.gtld-servers.net
        Address: 192.52.178.30#53
        > set querytype=NS
        > sans.org
        Server:         k.gtld-servers.net
        Address:        192.52.178.30#53
        
        Non-authoritative answer:
        *** Can't find sans.org: No answer
        
        Authoritative answers can be found from:
        .       nameserver = i.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = d.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = c.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = k.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = f.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = m.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = h.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = b.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = j.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = e.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = l.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = a.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = g.root-servers.net.
        i.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.36.148.17
        d.root-servers.net      internet address = 128.8.10.90
        c.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.33.4.12
        k.root-servers.net      internet address = 193.0.14.129
        f.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.5.5.241
        m.root-servers.net      internet address = 202.12.27.33
        h.root-servers.net      internet address = 128.63.2.53
        b.root-servers.net      internet address = 128.9.0.107
        j.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.58.128.30
        e.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.203.230.10
        l.root-servers.net      internet address = 198.32.64.12
        a.root-servers.net      internet address = 198.41.0.4
        g.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.112.36.4
        >  www.incidents.org
        Server:         k.gtld-servers.net
        Address:        192.52.178.30#53
        
        Non-authoritative answer:
        *** Can't find www.incidents.org: No answer
        
        Authoritative answers can be found from:
        .       nameserver = m.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = h.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = b.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = j.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = e.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = l.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = a.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = g.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = i.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = d.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = c.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = k.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = f.root-servers.net.
        m.root-servers.net      internet address = 202.12.27.33
        h.root-servers.net      internet address = 128.63.2.53
        b.root-servers.net      internet address = 128.9.0.107
        j.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.58.128.30
        e.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.203.230.10
        l.root-servers.net      internet address = 198.32.64.12
        a.root-servers.net      internet address = 198.41.0.4
        g.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.112.36.4
        i.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.36.148.17
        d.root-servers.net      internet address = 128.8.10.90
        c.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.33.4.12
        k.root-servers.net      internet address = 193.0.14.129
        f.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.5.5.241
        > incidents.org
        Server:         k.gtld-servers.net
        Address:        192.52.178.30#53
        
        Non-authoritative answer:
        *** Can't find incidents.org: No answer
        
        Authoritative answers can be found from:
        .       nameserver = c.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = a.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = k.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = b.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = g.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = e.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = f.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = m.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = h.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = j.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = l.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = i.root-servers.net.
        .       nameserver = d.root-servers.net.
        c.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.33.4.12
        a.root-servers.net      internet address = 198.41.0.4
        k.root-servers.net      internet address = 193.0.14.129
        b.root-servers.net      internet address = 128.9.0.107
        g.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.112.36.4
        e.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.203.230.10
        f.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.5.5.241
        m.root-servers.net      internet address = 202.12.27.33
        h.root-servers.net      internet address = 128.63.2.53
        j.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.58.128.30
        l.root-servers.net      internet address = 198.32.64.12
        i.root-servers.net      internet address = 192.36.148.17
        d.root-servers.net      internet address = 128.8.10.90
        >
        
        
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        Message: 29
        From: David Vincent <david.vincent () mightyoaks com>
        To: "'Full-Disclosure (E-mail)" <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org - OFFTOPIC
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:21:50 -0700
        
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: "lepkie" <lepkie () hushmail com>
        > > To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:29 PM
        > > Subject: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        > >
        > > maybe off topic
        > >
        > > can anyone resolve www.sans.org or www.incidents.org?
        > > I tried several name servers and none return an A record.
        > >
        > > %> host www.sans.org ns2.berkeley.edu
        > > %> host www.sans.org ns1.ems.psu.edu
        > > %> etc ....
        > >
        > > all report not found.
        > >
        > > Did they forget to pay the reg fee?
        
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Kurt Seifried [mailto:listuser () seifried org]
        > Sent: September 2, 2003 2:41 PM
        > To: lepkie () hustmail com; full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org - OFFTOPIC
        >
        > In a word: yes. They work fine. Your DNS is buggered. Next
        > time I suggest
        > checking a website such as Sam Spade before emailing a list
        > with thousands
        > of subscribers for something as ridiculously trivial as this.
        >
        >
        > Kurt Seifried, kurt () seifried org
        > A15B BEE5 B391 B9AD B0EF
        > AEB0 AD63 0B4E AD56 E574
        > http://seifried.org/security/
        
        kurt, STFU.
        
        some people may not have the same level of knowledge about troubleshooting
        issues like this.  they will ask questions you and i may be able to answer
        easily.  despite what you feel, they do have a right to read and post to
        these lists (at least, it is outside your purview).
        
        hell, sometimes even "the experts" don't have time to check out a little
        thing and will ask for help too.
        
        because it is trivial to you does not mean it is trivial to someone else.
        
        your trolling/flaming is useless.  it only shows you are not someone who is
        willing to help out, that you are someone it would be a waste of time
        talking to, and that you, in a word, suck.
        
        keep it to yourself.  if you think a post is useless, delete it.  don't
        bitch about it.  take some initiative.
        
        did you have too much coffee today and get all jittery?  or are you quitting
        smoking and are an extra bitch to bear today?  <-- those are rhetorical in
        case you weren't sure.
        
        -d
        
        
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        Message: 30
        From: Andre Ludwig <ALudwig () Calfingroup com>
        To:
        Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:32:47 -0700
        Subject: [Full-Disclosure] The Worm tard who got busted
        
        
        You guys are amazing sometimes, it looks like a few of you have in fact done
        some googling and some detective work.  Others are simply content on sitting
        on the sidelines and spewing only moderately informative opinions around
        like they are going out of style.
        
        If the topic of what this kid did and how stupid he was interests you go
        ahead and do some more detective work. The kid left one helluva trail on the
        net with SEVERAL postings on trojanforge.net (which has been offline since
        Friday). What was he posting about?  Normal script kiddie things like  y0
        d00dz ch3ck 0utz my l33t st4sh 0f spl01tz 4nd tr0j4nZ.  Not to mention
        asking about several small footprint irc based RAT's.   So 1+1=2, and in my
        book the kid is simply an amateur crook who should get the book thrown at
        him.  He would gain some respect from me if he had more skill, but im not a
        bleeding heart, you do the crime u do the time.   Granted i am not one to
        judge but if i was in the jury there wouldn't be much of a doubt in my mind
        as to who was behind things. 
        
        Wow he even looks to have defaced a site or two.. (look at the title of the
        window that loads)
        http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:t12Nd707VCkJ:www.satanosphere.com/+teek
        id&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
        
        Teekids Thoughts on VB6 vs .NET
        http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:oY-N3GP1w4cJ:www.trojanforge.net/showth
        read.php%3Fthreadid%3D1715++site:www.trojanforge.net+teekid+trojanforge&hl=e
        n&ie=UTF-8
        
        Teekid Hiting the wrong button (new thread instead of reply)
        http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:l8g2yTYshU4J:www.trojanforge.net/showth
        read.php%3Fthreadid%3D2627++site:www.trojanforge.net+teekid+trojanforge&hl=e
        n&ie=UTF-8
        
        Teekid Asking for a small footprint IRC boot with UDP features.
        http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:l8g2yTYshU4J:www.trojanforge.net/showth
        read.php%3Fthreadid%3D2627++site:www.trojanforge.net+teekid+trojanforge&hl=e
        n&ie=UTF-8
        
        Teekid Pimping his m4d l33t w4r3z.. (his trojan archive)
        http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:RFRMkPANScMJ:www.trojanforge.net/showth
        read/t-36.html++site:www.trojanforge.net+teekid+trojanforge&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
        
        Teekid shopping for a RAT
        http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:oSgqX5TAsQMJ:www.trojanforge.net/showth
        read/t-6016.html++site:www.trojanforge.net+teekid+trojanforge&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
        
        Teekid pimping his IRCBOTS site.
        http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:SUybKHSk8ncJ:www.trojanforge.net/showth
        read/t-2693.html++site:www.trojanforge.net+teekid+trojanforge&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
        
        Teekid coming to the aid of a fellow RAT developer (what a nice guy)
        http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:39FRhHqYu7cJ:www.trojanforge.net/showth
        read/t-5143.html++site:www.trojanforge.net+teekid+trojanforge&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
        
        All this was taken from only one site, if u want u can even find his
        flipping CS scores on several servers.  He wasn't to bad of a shot with a
        M4.
        
        And for fun
        http://asmallvictory.net/archives/jabbahack.jpg
        
        Are all virus coders so stunning and athletic looking?
        http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030829/i/1062184970.2617294885
        .jpg
        
        Wow ever since the rash of articles about our favorite coder of the week it
        is allot harder to find some of the stuff that i found on fri and sat. Sorry
        for the rant of sorts just sort of irked me that after reading 100 or so
        emails about the kid no one even bothered to bring up any sort of evidence
        that could have been gleamed ( thank god for goggle cache). I would have
        posted more threads by the perp but the site is down, and while im sure with
        some more time and searching i could dig up irc chat logs, and other such
        info i unfortunately have a job to do (even though i hate it).
        
        Andre Ludwig, CISSP
        
        
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        Message: 31
        Reply-To: "Kurt Seifried" <listuser () seifried org>
        From: "Kurt Seifried" <listuser () seifried org>
        To: "james" <hackerwacker () cybermesa com>, <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] sans.org
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:12:11 -0600
        
        >gtld's can't seem to point an NS to these domains:
        >
        >[root@mrtg mrtg]# nslookup
        >> server k.gtld-servers.net
        >Default server: k.gtld-servers.net
        >Address: 192.52.178.30#53
        >> set querytype=NS
        >> sans.org
        >Server:         k.gtld-servers.net
        >Address:        192.52.178.30#53
        >
        >Non-authoritative answer:
        >*** Can't find sans.org: No answer
        
        
        This is ... rather normal. .org is served by *.NSTLD.COM now. .net and .com
        are still served by *.gtld-servers.net.
        
        It looks like register.com either hosed their database, or hosed records
        while trying to update various records (at the request of the owners or
        someone else, who knows).
        
        A variety of domains appear affected, sans.org, dhsield.org, incidents.org,
        homepc.org, etc. All .org, all related and sharing infrastructure
        aooerently.
        
        Right now I'm inclined towards Occam's razor, this is a technical screw
        up/"normal" DNS modification and not something "evil".
        
        Kurt Seifried, kurt () seifried org
        A15B BEE5 B391 B9AD B0EF
        AEB0 AD63 0B4E AD56 E574
        http://seifried.org/security/
        
        
        
        
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        Message: 32
        Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:37:31 -0700
        From: Tim <tim-security () sentinelchicken org>
        To: nonleft () gmx net
        Cc: zobel () hnw-online de, full-disclosure () lists netsys com
        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] New Microsoft Internet Explorer mshtml.dll Denial of Service?
        
        
        This is helpful.  In addition, thanks to a file format breakdown by
        Caraciola I was able to more reliably crash my IE.  By taking the last
        data block in the file and extending it by a few hundred bytes, I think
        I have found that an overflow exists.  I have begun debugging it, but I
        don't have a lot of good windows tools available to me, so someone else
        should give it a shot (and post to the list).
        
        The file I created, based on the original:
        
        00000000   47 49 46 38  39 61 01 00  01 00 80 00  GIF89a......
        0000000C   00 FF FF FF  00 00 00 21  F9 04 01 00  .......!....
        00000018   00 00 00 2C  00 00 00 00  01 00 01 00  ...,........
        00000024   00 00 01 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  ...AAAAAAAAA
        00000030   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        0000003C   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000048   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000054   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000060   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        0000006C   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000078   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000084   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000090   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        0000009C   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        000000A8   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        000000B4   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        000000C0   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        000000CC   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        000000D8   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        000000E4   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        000000F0   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        000000FC   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000108   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000114   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000120   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        0000012C   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000138   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000144   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000150   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        0000015C   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000168   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000174   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000180   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        0000018C   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        00000198   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  AAAAAAAAAAAA
        000001A4   41 41 41 41  41 41 41 41  41 41 00 3B  AAAAAAAAAA.;
        
        
        It appears the subroutine that parses the gif image allocates a buffer
        of length based on the size indicated in the data block.  Then it
        proceeds to read the data block, looking for a 0x00 (or some other
        end-of-block identifier) to quit.  It doesn't limit itself to the block
        size when copying data from the file.
        
        I have not been able to determine whether this is a heap or stack
        overflow.
        
        However, after some fiddling, I have found this problem also affects
        explorer.exe.  Copy the file to a folder in windows, and turning
        on your image preview pane (web content pane, whatever that rubbish is
        on the left side) while viewing that directory.  Then click on the file,
        and when the preview pane tries to render the image, sometimes it
        crashes.
        
        Since a seperate thread of execution does the parsing, race conditions
        are probably what is making the crashes inconsistent.
        
        Anyone else have more to offer?
        
        tim
        
        
        On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 05:38:43PM +0200, nonleft () gmx net wrote:
        > crashes on my side as well
        >
        > win XP no packets in place.
        > so I run my debugger: (sorry german)
        >
        > Der Thread 'Win32 Thread' (0x818) hat mit Code 0 (0x0) geendet.
        > Unbehandelte Ausnahme bei 0x00000005 in : 0xC0000005:
        > Zugriffsverletzung-Leseposition 0x00000005.
        > Eine Ausnahme (erste Chance) bei 0x00000005 in : 0xC0000005:
        > Zugriffsverletzung-Leseposition 0x00000005.
        > Unbehandelte Ausnahme bei 0x00000005 in : 0xC0000005:
        > Zugriffsverletzung-Leseposition 0x00000005.
        >
        > well it tries to do a read function in the memory, were it has not business
        > to do :-)
        > and this causes the system failure and the program has to be restarted
        > 
        > 7FFE02FC  add         byte ptr [eax],al
        > 7FFE02FE  add         byte ptr [eax],al
        > 7FFE0300  mov         edx,esp
        > 7FFE0302  sysenter        
        > 7FFE0304  ret             
        > 7FFE0305  pushfd          
        > 7FFE0306  or          dword ptr [esp],100h
        > 7FFE030D  popfd           
        > 7FFE030E  ret              <---- here comes the downfall :-)
        > 7FFE030F  mov         edx,esp
        > 7FFE0311  syscall         
        > 7FFE0313  ret             
        > 7FFE0314  nop             
        > 7FFE0315  pushfd          
        > 7FFE0316  or          dword ptr [esp],100h
        >
        > so it comes from:
        >
        >         7ffe0304()     
        >         ntdll.dll!77f6f4af()   
        >         ntdll.dll!77f6e265()   
        >         mshtml.dll!74877f58()  
        > >       mshtml.dll!74877576()  
        >  that was it on my machine.....
        >
        > reproduced it twice.
        > but i could not see what this behavior evoked in the html code?!?!
        > first i thought could have something to do with the embedded scripts, but
        > doesn't seem so....  
        >
        > btw not using Outlook (and i could not see why this should have something to
        > do with it)
        >
        >
        > mfg/kind regards
        >
        > nonleft
        > At 13:53 02.09.2003 +0200, you wrote:
        >
        > Hi,
        >
        > > No, I am very sure that this happens also, if you follow the link inside
        > > a web page only (without an involving mail client).
        >
        > > So go to http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html , scroll down and
        > > click the link that says "Holger Hasselbach has translated several
        > > issues of Crypto-Gram into German [...]". The error occurs as described
        > > in my original posting.
        >
        >
        > well i tried
        >
        > windows 2003 server no updates
        >
        > first time i clicked it page closed after 5 seconds
        >
        > second time nothing happened
        >
        > third time it closed after 5 seconds
        >
        > well 4th time nothing happened
        >
        > 5th time closed again
        >
        > eaach time i spawned a new ie-window with the link and then followed
        > the one in the bottom
        >
        > mfg
        >
        > Michel Zobel
        > Software Entwicklung
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href="crypto-gram-0105.html">15&nbsp;May&nbsp;2001</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Military history, digital copy prevention, security standards, safe personal 
computing</TD></TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0104.html">15&nbsp;Apr&nbsp;2001</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Advantages of defense, CSI computer crime survey, fake Microsoft certificates</TD></TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0103.html">15&nbsp;Mar&nbsp;2001</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">The security patch treadmill, insurance, death of IDS, 802.11 security</TD></TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0102.html">15&nbsp;Feb&nbsp;2001</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">CPRM, an intentional backdoor, e-mail filter idiocy, air gaps, internet 
voting</TD></TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0101.html">15&nbsp;Jan&nbsp;2001</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">A cyber UL?, SafeMessage, social engineering, code signing in Windows</TD></TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0012.html">15&nbsp;Dec&nbsp;2000</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Voting and technology, digital safe-deposit boxes, new bank privacy regs</TD></TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0011.html">15&nbsp;Nov&nbsp;2000</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Digital signatures, SDMI hacking challenge, Microsoft hack</TD></TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0010.html">15&nbsp;Oct&nbsp;2000</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Semantic attacks, cybercrime treaty, NSA on security, AES announced</TD></TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0009.html">15&nbsp;Sep&nbsp;2000</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Full disclosure, Carnivore, FBI and the Olympics, Facemail, PGP vulnerability</TD></TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0008.html">15&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;2000</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Secrets and Lies, &quot;Crime in Cyberspace&quot; convention, Authentica, 
Bluetooth</TD></TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0007.html">15&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;2000</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Full disclosure and the CIA, presidential password, lockmaking, Unicode</TD></TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0006.html">15&nbsp;Jun&nbsp;2000</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">SOAP, Java and viruses, DES, Infraworks</TD></TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0005.html">15&nbsp;May&nbsp;2000</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Microsoft vs. Slashdot, Cybercrime treaty, Trusted client software, ILOVEYOU</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0004.html">15&nbsp;Apr&nbsp;2000</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">AES conference, French banking card hack, Microsoft Active Setup, UCITA</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0003.html">15&nbsp;Mar&nbsp;2000</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Kerberos and Win2K, software burglary tools, UCITA, software complexity</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0002.html">15&nbsp;Feb&nbsp;2000</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Distributed denial-of-service, Chinese crypto regs, publicizing vulnerabilities</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-0001.html">15&nbsp;Jan&nbsp;2000</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Publicity attacks, new encryption regs, Netscape, block and stream ciphers</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9912.html">15&nbsp;Dec&nbsp;1999</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Security as process, ECHELON, export regulations draft, GSM encryption</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9911.html">15&nbsp;Nov&nbsp;1999</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Why computers are insecure, DVD encryption, Win CE, Elliptic Curves</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9910.html">15&nbsp;Oct&nbsp;1999</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Becoming a cryptographer, export rules, AMD, PKI slogans, key length</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9909.html">15&nbsp;Sep&nbsp;1999</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Open source, NSAKEY, CESA, E*Trade, factoring RSA</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9908.html">15&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;1999</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Back Orifice 2000, AES news, HPUX, web-based encrypted mail</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9907.html">15&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;1999</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Future of crypto-hacking, bungled SSL, reader comments</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9906.html">15&nbsp;Jun&nbsp;1999</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">E-mail viruses, hacking archives, international encryption policy</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9905.html">15&nbsp;May&nbsp;1999</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Internationalization of cryptography, export rules, TWINKLE</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9904.html">15&nbsp;Apr&nbsp;1999</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">The importance of not being different, smart card threats, attacking certificates with 
viruses</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9903.html">15&nbsp;Mar&nbsp;1999</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Security hole in IE/Outlook and Office, AES news, RSA-140 factored</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9902.html">15&nbsp;Feb&nbsp;1999</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Snake oil, NSA and crypto export, WinXFiles, back doors, Intel's processor ID</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9901.html">15&nbsp;Jan&nbsp;1999</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">1998 year-in-review, clueless agents, Cayley-Purser</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9812.html">15&nbsp;Dec&nbsp;1998</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Cracking contests, recognizing plaintext, zip disks, Commerce Dept. committee</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9811.html">15&nbsp;Nov&nbsp;1998</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Electronic commerce, micro locks, copy protection, more on steganography</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9810.html">15&nbsp;Oct&nbsp;1998</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Steganography, TriStrata, Rapid Remote, memo to amateur cipher designers</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9809.html">15&nbsp;Sep&nbsp;1998</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Cramer-Shoup, impossible cryptanalysis, street performer, Private Doorbell</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9808.html">15&nbsp;Aug&nbsp;1998</a></TH>
        > <TD><P class="black-text">Hardware DES cracker, KEA, chosen protocol attack, biometrics</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9807.html">15&nbsp;Jul&nbsp;1998</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Breaking RSA, declassifying Skipjack, secure audit logs, WIPO</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9806.html">15&nbsp;Jun&nbsp;1998</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">Side channel attacks, risks of key escrow, pseudo-random number generators</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR class="black-text">
        > <TH align=left valign=top class="black-bold-text"><a 
href="crypto-gram-9805.html">15&nbsp;May&nbsp;1998</a></TH>
        > <TD class="black-text">AES, secret story of non-secret encryption, conditional purchase orders</TD>
        > </TR>
        > <TR><TD colspan=2>
        >
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href="http://www.communicationvalley.it/crypto-gram.html";>Italian</a> translations, by Communication Valley S.P.A., are 
available on the web or as a mailing list.  Holger Hasselbach has translated several issues of Crypto-Gram into <a 
href="http://www.galad.com/extras/cg/cg.htm";>German</a>, and Fernandes Gilbert has translated some issues into <a 
href="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/gilbert.fernandes/cryptogram.html";>French</a>. 
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