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Re: Foundstone Labs to Release Absolutely FREE Tool
From: "Gregory A. Gilliss" <ggilliss () netpublishing com>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:14:06 -0700
With apologies to South Park, that is *so* weak. Marketing tactics like this *always* backfire on the company because information wants to be free. Actually, allow me to correct myself: this is not marketing; this is manipulative and fraudulent. People with a conscience can and will expose the people who suggest these tactics for the conniving weasels that they are! I think that the security community can learn a lesson from this and many other examples too numerous to cite: when the bus-dev people start calling the shots, the skilled technical people look elsewhere for an environment where they can do what they do best, namely produce results without concern for the bottom line. For information security companies that want to remain in the field, I suggest that you begin posting requirements for technical team lead types of managers, namely people who will protect the engineers from the MBAs. G On or about 2003.10.19 10:28:00 +0000, Jeremiah Cornelius (jeremiah () nur net) said:
On Friday 17 October 2003 15:16, Ronald McDownload wrote:
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This leaked Foundstone e-mail makes great reading, and ties in nicely with the spam^H^H^H^Hmarketing..I think that it is pretty well understood that the best and brightest have gone from FS.
<SNIP> -- Gregory A. Gilliss, CISSP Telephone: 1 650 872 2420 Computer Engineering E-mail: greg () gilliss com Computer Security ICQ: 123710561 Software Development WWW: http://www.gilliss.com/greg/ PGP Key fingerprint 2F 0B 70 AE 5F 8E 71 7A 2D 86 52 BA B7 83 D9 B4 14 0E 8C A3 _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- Foundstone Labs to Release Absolutely FREE Tool James Foster (Oct 17)
- Re: Foundstone Labs to Release Absolutely FREE Tool Michael Renzmann (Oct 17)
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- RE: Foundstone Labs to Release Absolutely FREE Tool Brown, Randy (InfoSec) (Oct 17)
- Re: Foundstone Labs to Release Absolutely FREE Tool Paul Tinsley (Oct 17)
- RE: Foundstone Labs to Release Absolutely FREE Tool Jerry Heidtke (Oct 17)
- RE: Foundstone Labs to Release Absolutely FREE Tool Robert Ahnemann (Oct 17)
- RE: Foundstone Labs to Release Absolutely FREE Tool NDG (Oct 17)
- Re: Foundstone Labs to Release Absolutely FREE Tool Ronald McDownload (Oct 17)
- Re: Foundstone Labs to Release Absolutely FREE Tool Dark Avenger (Oct 17)
- Re: Foundstone Labs to Release Absolutely FREE Tool Jeremiah Cornelius (Oct 19)
- Re: Foundstone Labs to Release Absolutely FREE Tool Gregory A. Gilliss (Oct 19)