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RE: Re: Gates: 'You don't need perfect code' fo r good security
From: Andre Ludwig <ALudwig () Calfingroup com>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:13:29 -0800
I think the issue at hand is how Bill has simply given ideas for band aid patches and not ways to ultimate secure systems. Fire walling and virus protection has its place in any environment. But poorly designed software with bugs known and unknown should not be a part of a "secure" system. So while some choose to look at the problem at a higher level then others the issue still remains no matter how many firewalls, av products, IPS's, IDS's you have in place if your still running shitty software at the end of the line it is a liability. PLAIN AND SIMPLE And look at it from Bills view, he cant play on the fact that ultimately it is the quality of your code that makes a software system safe, not add on measures. If he was to openly admit that then it would be the same as Bill kicking himself in the nuts. Lets face it Bill isn't stupid, he knows what the real deal is and regardless of what any of us "mailing list experts" deem is the "truth". (he is mighty keen on manipulating media as well) Andre Ludwig, CISSP -----Original Message----- From: Geoincidents [mailto:geoincidents () getinfo org] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 4:30 PM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: Gates: 'You don't need perfect code' for good security
First, firewalling and patching can not in fact shield networks from all of the impact of worms and viruses. Ask any experienced network admin. There will always be users who bring into a firewalled network a laptop that was, for example, infected at home.
Part of the problem here is network design. For example, if when laptops are brought in they were only allowed to connect to a wireless network and that wireless network was on the far side of the firewall (perhaps slightly more access than from the internet but still majorly firewalled) and treated as untrusted systems which they in fact are, then it would not be such an issue. There is no rule that says you can't have internal firewalls to separate untrusted from trusted systems. But you have to design your network around this idea for it to work. Geo. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- RE: Re: Gates: 'You don't need perfect code' fo r good security Andre Ludwig (Oct 31)
- Re: Re: Gates: 'You don't need perfect code' for good security Geoincidents (Oct 31)