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RE: [Fwd: Re: USDOJ BRAINWASHING TECHNIQUES]
From: List Bot <listbot () mailandnews com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:57:05 -0400
On 10 Jun 2003 at 19:14:37 northern snowfall wrote:
It's just the way it presented.. using "hacker" like "nigger" or "kike" "spic" etc.Unfortunately, this is what the media has presented to our new generations. Movies, television, etc incorporate the term "hacker" with malicious sneaky computer cracking. The government website has to talk to children in the terms they've learned. What do you expect them to do, give 10 year old children a paper on the differences between hacker cracker and phreak?
Yes! Like Donnie said, they use the word 'like "nigger" or "kike" "spic" etc.' Imagine them using any of those words instead because those are the words children know. Imagine a US goverment publication in the 50s or 60s using those words because those are the words kids knew. DoJ wants us to believe the site is the educate kids. Then why not educate them? Kids may learn to call law enforcers many colorful terms, screws, pigs, flat foots, fuzz, gomer, dick, smokey. Why not use those terms on DoJ sites too? Before anyone flames, dick used to be short for detective, but it sure sounds bad when you say it to a cop who's not a dick, doesn't it? Like Donnie said, they imply all "hackers" are bad. Some cops may be detectives, and some may be flat footed, but calling all cops flat footed dicks is like using the media corruption of hacker to paint all code hackers and security researchers with the same brush. DoJ is twisting minds at impressionable ages and turning them away from an entire industry that favours openness. We've found the axis of evil and it's at http://lists.insecure.org/about/nmap-hackers.txt The US government wants to educate us on what evil and terrorist means. Why not educate kids on what hacker means and how the term may be used at, say, MIT (eg. http://tmrc.mit.edu/hackers-ref.html), where some kids may go some day to learn useful skills? It could be because learning genuine hacking at a young age will produce better coders who will produce better software with less holes. As others in the thread have said, that may be counter to US government interest. Do schools still run the old "Mother Goose" computer game that taught young children logic to prepare them for problem solving? Len, if Donnie is moderated, what's the threshold for calling his post noise? Although snowfall suggests the option of skipping Donnie's posts, he didn't this time, and snowfall's response raises an important issue in whether we should sit back and allow DoJ to bend language to its own means. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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