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Re: GOOD: A legal fix for software flaws?


From: Ron DuFresne <dufresne () winternet com>
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:25:13 -0500 (CDT)



Let's face it with this whole argument.  The laws could be written to
protect mom& pop's, or limit liability there to SW cost, exepmt GPL'ed SW,
and only target for real bucks the big vendors.  But,, as has been seen,
M$ alone can stand up to and get through the courts pretty much unscathed,
even if facing a few million dollars a day penalties during the process.
This without even having to lobby and facing the feds and states in the
courts directly.  so, the only real rememdy is for individuals and  corps
to hit M$ and the major  vendors that are problem clindren directly in the
pocketbooks.  For course, such a boycott will never get pulled off, far to
many management types have their whole careers tied into their dependence
upon unsanitary toys and trinkets shipped by the major problem children of
the industry.

Thanks,

Ron DuFresne


On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:19:05 -0300, Fabio Gomes de Souza <fabio () gs2 com br>  said:
This is an entire crap. Everyone knows that a contract cannot override
the law. If the law tells that the manufacturer of a product should be
liable for its product's failures, then the manufacturer will be,
regardless of any stupid contract the manufacturer and the consumer
sign. I cannot, for example, sign a contract which gives me the right to
kill you, because the contract is overriding the law.

There's just one little problem with your logic:

Unless the law specifically prohibits disclaimer of liability, there's nothing
illegal about a clause that does so.  And in the best "be careful what you wish
for, as you may get it", you might want to go back and re-read clause 11 and 12
of the GPL, Version 2, and ask yourself if *ANY* GPL'ed software would get
released if that clause was illegal.  If it was in fact illegal to disclaim
liability, clause 7 would totally prohibit you from distributing it *AT ALL*.

Then there's the issue of mom-n-pop software shops and small consulting
firms - they can't hide behind a "we're giving it away for free" clause in the
hypothetical law, but they'd be insane to stay in business without software
liability insurance.   How many insurance companies are offering *THAT*
at rates a 2-5 person consulting firm can afford?




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