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Re: JAP back doored
From: felix.roennebeck () gaussvip com
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:50:10 +0200
Now I think we are pretty close to a dead lock because any legal activity is supposed not to be watched but you cannot know wether someting is legal without watching it. It is pretty obvious that criminals have a special interest in anonymity. In this case care must be taken that the data gathered by the government is used exclusively to prosecute the suspected criminal.Yes every tool can be mis-used in one or another direction. In my eyes fighting child pornography justifies the step to observe a connection.It's just that child pornography is starting to be used as a blanket crime which is used to justify increased goverment and police survelllience, much like terrorism. Of course, I don't want anyone who is guilty of a crime against children to get away with it, but I also don't want my natural feelings regarding the well-being of children to be used to monitor otherwise legal activies. Citizens possessing the means to communicate or gather information privately is, of course, of great interest to most authories, IMO.
I totally aggree with you that the users should have been informed - even if it perverts the idea of observation. It is absolutely not ok to pretend anonymity and not providing it. But Drew was arguing against the german government and I still think it was correct what they did: They heard about a crime and tried to prosecute it.True, it's just how they tried that concerns me. At any rate, this should be a leason to everyone, don't trust things outside of your total control.
ACK
Azerail
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