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Ka's msg re: Bugtraq delay/censorship
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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:18:04 -0700
--y2zxS2PfCDLh6JVG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting post, especially towards the end. On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 07:19:31PM -0700, hagbard-celine () hushmail com said: [snip]
The "underground", regardless of how it is perceived or how it chooses to portray some=20 elements of itself, is alive and kicking - same=20 as it ever was even in the days of L0pht, root.org, and folks like Ice9.=20
Real hackers today are doing exactly the same thing they've been doing for = the last 40+ years - hacking. Creating. Exploring and learning. Sometimes the only way to learn about something is to break it, or break into it. The latter was true in older days, when a lot of systems were inaccessible to t= he average joe. It's getting less and less true as time goes by and computer systems and networks become more ubiquitious and affordable. Real hackers are out there hacking. Not talking trash on IRC all day long, pretending they're gangstas from the ghetto and trying to break into each others' systems. Hackers are hacking, not wasting their time sitting around doing nothing. "But I'm a hacker!", someone will undoubtedly protest. "I break into systems - hacking is only about breaking into systems and/or causing damage!" Maybe in your lexicon. Real hackers are creating things - have you created anything lately? If the answer is no, you should try it. It's ultimately more satisfying than an army of DDoS zombies or yet another IRC channel under control of your bots. The underground is definitely still alive, as always - you were right on wi= th that post. But you're not too likely to find real hackers (as in our predecessors from MIT, and in later days, the crews like l0pht and cDc) idling all day long on IRC or threatening death and destruction. And the re= al blackhats, on the other hand, are out there stealing information, breaking = into banks and governmental networks, working for organized crime and corporate espionage sections - you won't find them hanging out on IRC bragging about channel takeovers and the like, either.
But I wonder if the time has come to begin=20 construction of Gibson's "Walled City" (see his=20 novel "Idoru") or Stephenson's "Metaverse" (from=20 his "Snow Crash") and totally unplug from the made-for-TV tragedy called "The Taming of=20 the 'Net"...just a thought...
Have you by chance read Tad Williams' series "Otherland"? If you liked "Snow Crash" or Gibson, you should _definitely_ read it. Book one is called "City of Golden Shadow". All I can say is, I'm pretty sure construction efforts on the pre-alpha versions of what will eventually become the 'Metaverse' are already underway. I just hope that hackers will be able to keep it free and open, as they did with the Internet (another government-funded project). As for jacking into it, well ... you might be interested in the cover story fr= om this month's _Wired_. I had no idea brain implant technology had progressed this far - this is lifted straight from 'The Matrix' ... http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.09/vision.html (Sorry about that rant - what started out as a 3-line reply ended up going = on longer than I intended.) And with that, I will stop posting and get back to whatever the current project was. cheers, --=20 -=3D Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net =3D- GPG key CB33CCA7 has been revoked; I am now 5537F527 illum oportet crescere me autem minui --y2zxS2PfCDLh6JVG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9Ymu8WaB7jFU39ScRAm4sAJ4tbXjvBcUZLtCBZb/Tw2eM2XTY8gCgsRu2 T1xYFdMpWPhNNscHF1IQRQ4= =Zde5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --y2zxS2PfCDLh6JVG--
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