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RE: IPS comparison
From: Seek Knowledge <aseeker03 () yahoo com>
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:58:27 +0100 (BST)
IMHO comparing pure play havior detection to IPS is like comparing apples and oranges. NADS appears to be more similar to the old sniffer technology with the added feature of /possibly/ giving better clues as to the cause of the anomaly from a security perspective whereas the old Network General style explains from network problem perspective. Protocol anomaly at least looks more promising in the IPS space as the action capability is there. In my experience, it definitely takes time baselining... but once baslined, it could be a valuable tool (again when the action component - read IPS - is added). That whole Gartner prophecy of "IDS is dead" was referring to the idea that detection by itself is just not enough. Maybe behavior detection (NADS) might be good for forensics... but I'll take IPS wherever I can get it thank you. If one can't afford IPS... then I guess going the forensics only route is better than nothing. But even then, pure-play behavior-based solutions leaves the gap of not detecting known bad stuff. btw... even Lancope has signatures (however outdated they may be)... so even Lancope realizes the value of signatures in the security tool box. Regards, Hassan Karim, CISSP --- Joseph Hamm <jhamm () lancope com> wrote:
Fact is, anomaly detection is so rare that it'salmost unexistant in the commercial products, except for limited formsof "protocol anomaly detection" and for Arbor'speakflow technology. Not true! The only reason this space hasn't gotten as much attention over the last few years is cause everyone was busy buying signature IDS and now IPS solutions. Pure Network Anomaly Detection players: Arbor Lancope Mazu Q1 Labs (All of these have been around for several years despite the lack of industry attention to this space. Am I missing any new ones?) Also, for a recent article on network anomaly detection systems (NADS), check out this month's Information Security Magazine (cover story). The NADS space (this is only the latest acronym used to describe this group of products), is starting to get more attention and press coverage. You will also find some articles that call these products NBAD (Network Behavior Anomaly Detection) solutions. Many security companies can detect "anomalies" in some form. Almost every security vendor has the word "anomaly" in their marketing literature. You need to understand what they mean by an "anomaly" and how they detect them. "protocol anomaly detection" and "network anomaly detection" are two different things although detecting network anomalies can include protocol anomalies as well. An IPS is a point solution, usually has limited network visibility (unless you spend a fortune and deploy them everywhere), and can only perform protocol anomaly detection (from what I've seen). In order to have the best NADS, you need complete network visibility and an understanding of what is "normal" on your network. Rolling out NADS generally requires less appliances than IPS (read less cost) because one box can gather network info from multiple SPAN ports, network taps, or get NetFlow/sFlow feeds from remote routers/switches. Kind regards, Joe Joe Hamm, CISSP Senior Security Engineer Lancope, Inc. jhamm () lancope com 404.644.7227 (cell) 770.225.6509 (fax) Lancope - Security through Network Intelligence(tm) StealthWatch(tm) by Lancope, a next-generation network security solution, delivers behavior-based intrusion detection, policy enforcement and insightful network analysis. Visit www.lancope.com. -----Original Message----- From: Stefano Zanero [mailto:s.zanero () securenetwork it] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:01 PM To: Daniel Cid; Focus-Ids Mailing List Subject: Re: IPS comparison Daniel Cid wrote:This "anomaly" detection will only detect 0-dayexploits for knownvulnerabilities.A zero-day exploit is a curious marketing thing. You suddenly redefine a difficult problem (catching zero-days) as a rather simpler problem (create signatures that actually describe the vulnerability, which is what any signature worth your licensing cost should do). So, presto!, you can rush up and put out some rather nice marketing material on it. Fact is, anomaly detection is so rare that it's almost unexistant in the commercial products, except for limited forms of "protocol anomaly detection" and for Arbor's peakflow technology. Best, Stefano Zanero --------------------------- Secure Network S.r.l. www.securenetwork.it
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