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RE: Suggestions
From: "Ed Donegan" <danceslikewhiteguy () hotmail com>
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:14:26 -0700
There is indeed a difference. In suggestig Pearson, I am suggesting each "object" be a compound signature for an event, such as a spefic attack or patch distribution. Files modified, proccess lauched, network ports opened, time window of event, strings contained, groups or "scatter" of servers touched, all be weighed used the pearson product moment correlation co-efficient to analyze whether based on the totality of the data points, does it look (correlate) more like 1) A known virus, 2) A variant virus with only most data points in common, or 3) do the data points instead, correlate more closely with SMS or administration activity.
The general idea of Pearson is that an object, like a line, can be descibed by a series of data points. If the data points match the line along its length closely, it has a strong correlation. Co-variance, differences in the data points, weaken the correlation.
So lets say Discriptor X is tripped because four specific files got modified, and Descriptor X is a signature for a virus that modifies those same four files. So it has a strong correlation, four data points match. On the other hand, Descriptor Y (an SMS distribution of a known patch) has a stronger correlation co-efficient, because there are also matches for a the group of servers touched (marketing,) the source of the changes (IP address of the SMS server for marketing,) and the patch that went through change control is also known to modify those four same files, and the event occured during the change control window. The SMS account was also utilized.
So by correlating the entire event, based on multiple data points including data out the network and administration environment, a false positive is avoided because a stronger correlation exists with something else. On the other hand, a false negative may be avoided later because the variant may have much in common with a known virus.
The srength of the correlation is the correlation co-efficient, which could be weighted or tuned per data point.
From: "Rishi Pande" <rpande () vt edu> To: "'Ed Donegan'" <danceslikewhiteguy () hotmail com> CC: <focus-ids () securityfocus com> Subject: RE: Suggestions Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:21:03 -0400 My very basic knowledge of the Pearson's coefficient leads me to believe that there is not much similar between spatial autocorrelation and the Pearson's coefficient. Pearson's coefficient measures the relation between two variables on the same object.Spatial autocorrelation, on the other hand, measures the correlation between the instances of the effect under measurement (in my case, instances of wormoccurrences) with respect to 2-D space. We considered geographical and topological orientations for the space. My work was more focused on helping to predict the spread of a worm. Actually bringing it into implementation will involve multiple characteristics coming into play including some you mentioned. Howeverduring design of the implementation product, I concentrated on network levelissues for detection of an intrusion: dramatic rise of traffic on a port, high number of small transmissions from outside networks, etc. We alsothought about opening a second "emergency" line of communication to a globalwarning source such as CERT, D-shield, etc. Rishi -----Original Message----- From: Ed Donegan [mailto:danceslikewhiteguy () hotmail com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 7:13 PM To: rpande () vt edu; thiagoguzella () yahoo com br Cc: focus-ids () securityfocus com; uzurutuza () eps mondragon edu; TheTom () UnixIsNot4Dummies ORG; clint () secureconsulting com; stefano.zanero () ieee org; whitty () reeve com; mark.runion () us army mil Subject: Re: Suggestions I wasn't able to drag down the PDF yet, but I presume it used the pearson product moment correlation co-efficient? Mots embarassig, I posted thewrong version earlier, more verbose, less technical, but does this techniqueuse multiple data points to describe an event (ie proccess launched, files touched,) then measure the "goodness of fit" to the event and the data points in a correlation co-efficient? This is what I believe is the more technicial definition of correlation lays, but as far as tayloring it for utility, I have seen numerous variations. >From: Rishikesh Pande <rpande () vt edu> >To: Thiago dos Santos Guzella <thiagoguzella () yahoo com br> >CC: focus-ids () securityfocus com, >uzurutuza () eps mondragon edu,TheTom () UnixIsNot4Dummies ORG, >clint () secureconsulting com,stefano.zanero () ieee org, whitty () reeve com, >mark.runion () us army mil >Subject: Re: Suggestions >Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 16:05:53 -0400 > >You may want to take a look at my thesis >(http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-05182004-085925/). I used >spatial autocorrelation- a measure from plant epidemiology to look at the>spread of computer network worms. The thesis is kind of long , but you may>want to read the Introduction and then skip over to chapter 4. If you can>wait a month or so, I am presenting some of my work at SANSFIRE- Monterey.> Rishi > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up - now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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