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Re: Re: Spyware mumbo jumbo and bigger woes


From: Adam Shostack <adam () homeport org>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:59:34 -0500


Dave,

        I suspect I misunderstand you.

        Are you saying that the practice of phishing is in a grey
area?  I mean, I'm on the side of Abagnale and the redemptionists (to
reprise a debate), but I have no doubt that phishing is nasty
misrepresentation and fraud, and not justifiable by any logic.  And I
say that even as I can appriciate the artistry of a well executed
phish, in the same way I can appriciate a Jet Li movie.  I wouldn't
want to hit it in real life.

Adam

On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 09:45:24AM -0500, Dave Piscitello wrote:
| I think the "reason" no one's doing too much evil of the sort you 
| describe with spyware is that the motivation of spyware companies is 
| "for profit". Many of the spyware developers are full time 
| programmers with 401K and medical bennies working for profit-seeking 
| companies that have deplorable business ethics. Phishing crosses the 
| vague line between what is illegal and what is unpleasant/intrusive. 
| 
| On 2 Dec 2004 at 14:43, J. Oquendo wrote:
| 
|  
| > how long until someone wisens(evils) up and creates a
| > replica in conjuction with hosts files and scams a couple of thousand
| > people into sending priceless information to some shmuck with too much
| > time on his/her hands.
| 
| 
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