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Re: Updated criteria for allowing local admin privileges on workstations


From: randy <marchany () VT EDU>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 18:27:08 -0500

There are a couple of questions I've always wanted to ask whenever the
local admin issue comes up.

1. What about BYOD? Everyone who brings their own device to your net has
admin privileges. Has that caused problems in your campus?
   a. how many incidents were caused by someone having local admin privs
vs. general user privs? #/semester? #/year. Based on these stats, is this a
problem that needs to be addressed?
2. Phishing, ransomware, web drive-by attacks don't require admin privs to
be destructive or disruptive. Ransomware damage can be "reduced" by
carefully setting default file permissions. Of course, this is much easier
to do in the Linux/Mac world than Windows.
3. Do you have a "training" requirement for those who need admin privs? Say
someone wants admin privs for whatever reason. Do you say something like
"sure, you have to take a 1-2hr training class on responsible admin
practices first". I have an old gm buddy in one of the sciences who was
ribbing me because her IT person refused to give her admin privs. I said
"XXXX, you have a $700K analyzer in your lab. You wouldn't let me use it
w/o training me on its proper use. :-) There's a HUGE advantage in training
someone on basic admin priv practices. You get another set of eyes to help
you spot incidents earlier. You can offload some support to the person. If
they screw up, you note it in your report. Faculty the problem you say? I
say so what? No faculty I know wants to be id'd as the cause of an
incident.
4. Do you ask why a user wants admin privs? I'd be willing to bet that 90%
of the time, they want admin privs because it takes too long to get their
IT staff to install software or devices they need to do their job. I've
seen cases where it could take up to 6 months to get the approvals to
install software on a machine. How long does it take in your environment?
Approved or not? If the IT process is too restrictive, does that force the
user to bring in their own device so they can do their job?

Is restricting admin privs an archaic "defense"? When hosts were "multi
user" systems, an admin priv breached affect a LOT of people in 1 shot. It
made perfect sense to be careful with admin priv accts. However, in today's
single user/single machine environment, only 1 person is affected. Ah, but
what about a sensitive data breach you say? How many data breaches were
caused by an admin priv issue as opposed to a "user" issue?  For large
servers, yes, this situation warrants close examination but those cases are
few. There are a number of similar "defenses" that were created literally
35-40 yrs ago (account lockouts, restricting admin privs, firewalls, etc.)
that may cause worse problems in today's environment than the ones they're
trying to solve. Usually there are compensating controls that are more
responsive to today's compute environment.

BYOD has changed the rules on admin privs. Metrics will help you justify
your decision one way or the other.

-Randy Marchany
VA Tech IT Security Office & Lab




*From:* The EDUCAUSE Security Community Group Listserv <
SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU> *On Behalf Of *Jim A. Bole
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:18 PM
*To:* SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU
*Subject:* [SECURITY] Updated criteria for allowing local admin
privileges on workstations



We’re reviewing what valid use cases there might be for giving someone
local admin privileges on their workstation (PC or Mac).



Currently we default to no admin rights. On Macs we are running Mojave and
have just started using Jamf Pro. On PCs we are at Win10 and just starting
to deploy InTune. I don’t’ think we haven’t fully leveraged these tools
capabilities to allow users more flexibility with self-service apps, etc.



I’m curious what typical cases folks are seeing for various groups of
users (faculty, staff, etc.) that would require giving users full admin
privileges.



I did run across this thread from 2018:



http://listserv.educause.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=SECURITY;6e798529.1808



Thanks.



Jim Bole

Director of Information Security

*Stevenson University*

1525 Greenspring Valley Road

Stevenson, MD, 21153-0641

jbole () stevenson edu | O: 443-334-2696













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