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Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy!
From: "Mark Simon" <msimon () eclipsecurityllc com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:45:56 -0500
The false sense of comfort with various security products is due to the lack of transparency concerning breach occurrences. It is the rare case where an exploited vulnerability is identified and described in detail for the public. As embarrassing as it may be, we need to share more details about breach incidents. Organizations should be encouraged to redact and anonymously publish post-incident reports so the public, including other information security professionals, can learn about security tools that have failed to help TJX and many others prevent or earlier uncover intruder activities. It would also help if trusted organizations, such as US-CERT, would provide anonymity and publication facilities allowing organizations to report details concerning breach occurrences. Congress passed the Communications Decency Act (CDA) in 1996. The Act contains language under the heading - Protection for Good Samaritan blocking and screening of offensive material - which provides, "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." CDA 230 further provides that "[n]o cause of action may be brought and no liability may be imposed under any State or local law that is inconsistent with this section." So, find a publisher and get publishing. Mark. -- Mark S. Simon, Director of Regulatory Compliance Consulting Eclipsecurity, LLC Mobile: (224) 612-3101 Office: (847) 850-5088 Toll Free: (877) 369-5331 www.eclipsecurityLLC.com Lock-in success. Because information travels... The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is for the intended addressee only. Any unauthorized use, dissemination of the information or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. -----Original Message----- From: dataloss-bounces () attrition org [mailto:dataloss-bounces () attrition org] On Behalf Of Jamie C. Pole Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:57 PM To: dataloss () attrition org Subject: Re: [Dataloss] rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Yup. And does anyone doubt that a company using Qualys would be in the same boat? All of these vendors that sell non-functioning crapware are seriously damaging the efficacy of online commerce moving forward. They sell a false sense of security. Nothing more. PCI compliance in a box? Yeah, right... Then again, Visa is also very much to blame. Until Visa gets serious about PCI compliance and starts certifying expert security practitioners, rather than clueless companies with big checkbooks, this is just going to keep happening over and over again. Visa should be paying expert security practitioners to do PCI compliance assessments, rather than having the big consulting companies pay THEM for the privilege of saying they are certified to conduct PCI assessments. All of these automated vulnerability assessment processes achieve the same result - they identify only the lowest of the low-hanging fruit. Automated tools might identify the exposures that script kiddies are looking for, but they most certainly can't identify the exposures that motivated and competent hackers are looking for. Show me an automated tool that can identify vulnerabilities that are contingent on the successful exploit of other vulnerabilities, and I just might change my mind. I'm not going to hold my breath, because companies are too wrapped up in buying automated scans for $19.99 per host. As we can see, they always get exactly what they pay for. What exactly do they think they are buying?? What's even worse is that there are "security consultants" running around telling the world that they base their entire vulnerability assessment offering on some of these useless tools. Oh, well... Jamie On Mar 18, 2008, at 8:53 PM, lyger wrote:
http://attrition.org/security/rant/z/rapid7.html Tue Mar 18 16:10:57 EST 2008 d2d You are a security vendor. You sell the mightiest security doohickey the world has ever seen. It does it all, including "...ensuring your network is safe from hackers..." and amazingly it "...scans for Web site and database vulnerabilities that hackers can use to capture credit card information without you being aware". Since your doohickey
does what no others have ever successfully managed to do, you can tout
your client list proudly, and pimp your customer implementations liberally. UNTIL... One of your customers joins the etiolated top 10 with a massive hacker
perpetrated data loss incident. OUCH. [...] _______________________________________________ Dataloss Mailing List (dataloss () attrition org) http://attrition.org/dataloss Tenable Network Security offers data leakage and compliance monitoring
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_______________________________________________ Dataloss Mailing List (dataloss () attrition org) http://attrition.org/dataloss Tenable Network Security offers data leakage and compliance monitoring solutions for large and small networks. Scan your network and monitor your traffic to find the data needing protection before it leaks out! http://www.tenablesecurity.com/products/compliance.shtml _______________________________________________ Dataloss Mailing List (dataloss () attrition org) http://attrition.org/dataloss Tenable Network Security offers data leakage and compliance monitoring solutions for large and small networks. Scan your network and monitor your traffic to find the data needing protection before it leaks out! http://www.tenablesecurity.com/products/compliance.shtml
Current thread:
- rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! lyger (Mar 18)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Jamie C. Pole (Mar 18)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Mark Simon (Mar 19)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Adam Shostack (Mar 19)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Klein, Jonathan (Mar 19)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Adam Shostack (Mar 19)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Klein, Jonathan (Mar 19)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Allan Friedman (Mar 20)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Adam Shostack (Mar 20)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! James Ritchie, CISA, QSA (Mar 20)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Adam Shostack (Mar 20)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! James Ritchie, CISA, QSA (Mar 20)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Adam Shostack (Mar 20)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Mark Simon (Mar 19)
- Re: rant: Abandon Ship! Data Loss Ahoy! Jamie C. Pole (Mar 18)