Re: Blinken Lights IDS

[Andre Gironda <andreg () gmail com>]

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:43 AM, dave aitel <dave () immunityinc com> wrote:

> Everyone I know lived through the "Blinken-Lights-IDS" phase.

So your entire defense was situated on "Are the
> lights blinking when I'm not typing on my computer?"
> Ask yourself: How far from that have we come, really?

We can still use blinkenlights --
https://blog.cobaltstrike.com/2015/11/11/revolutionary-device-detects-mimikatz-use/


> Honestly, the line that strikes fear into the hearts and minds of all
> SOC engineers is "How do you measure your success?". I'm on the Security
> Metrics mailing list, which has been around basically forever, and what
> they will point out is that good metrics need good data, and we have
> about zero of that in almost all aspects of this game.


Maybe we know how to measure success --
https://www.blackhat.com/docs/eu-16/materials/eu-16-Hovor-Automating-Incident-Investigations-Sit-Back-And-Relax-Bots-Are-Taking-Over.pdf


> While attackers
> have real numbers, the defensive process is literally evolutionary: We
> try EVERYTHING and just see which companies fail due to data breaches
> and while we don't really learn any lessons directly, maybe the next
> generation of companies will be, in some way, similar to whatever
> mutation helped.

Maybe we know how to evolve the defensive process --
http://conf.splunk.com/files/2016/slides/detecting-the-adversary-post-compromise-with-threat-models-and-behavioral-analytics.pdf

dre

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