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Re: reach for the sky vs stay airborne
From: Konrads Smelkovs <konrads.smelkovs () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:28:52 +0000
Nice product plug :) If I'd be a defensive CISO and someone would pentest my org and show me how he got domain admin, I'd tell them, "that's really great, but if you'd have a normal C2 working for some period of time, my crystal-ball based anomaly detection system would have picked it up and we'd IR/hunt you down" and the red team bros would have nothing to reply because, they, well didn't have a C2 going for a while and I would keep my bonus. It is in the interest of the auditor/red-teamer to do this as much as it is in the interest of a genuinely concerned customer who wants to know how good they are. -- Konrads Smelkovs Applied IT sorcery. On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Kristian Erik Hermansen < kristian.hermansen () gmail com> wrote:
es that would be ideal but unfortunately there is always pushback due to perception of privacy impact to staff / employees and also risk of accidentally nuking the entire organization due to "unexpected changes". You can try though and I wish you luck getting executives to sign off on that risk. Or you could just buy Immunity Innuendo for $50K or Cobalt Strike with beacon for about 1/10th that and get close to "APT simulation"... On Tuesday, October 27, 2015, Konrads Smelkovs <konrads.smelkovs () gmail com> wrote:In my view, security improvements in organisations are driven by breaches and red team exercises/pentests. While breaches give hard lessons learned, red teams often don't and that's because we reward red teamers for a "domain admin" rather than longer term persistent access. This is what I call reach for the sky/rocket launch: you get domain admin, get a screenshot of CEO's e-mail and declare job done. In reality, a good simulation would be to "stay airborne" - take a screenshot of CEO's e-mail/exfil PST every week. That's not to say that there isn't a scenario where desctruction of assets is the end-goal of an attacker, but even then, I would argue that red teamers ought to put an .exe in autoruns for every PC they wish to have done a simulated wipe. -- Konrads Smelkovs Applied IT sorcery.-- Regards, Kristian Erik Hermansen https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristianhermansen https://google.com/+KristianHermansen
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