Re: Economic Espionage and Regin

["Ottenheimer, Davi" <Davi.Ottenheimer () emc com>]

Dave,

I would love to believe you can speak for all motives within a complex and often changing political bureaucracy. 
Perhaps you are in a position to explain away concrete evidence of economic espionage by the United States and the 
motives detailed by a former director of central intelligence:

(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB95326824311657269.html)

“Why, then, have we spied on you? The answer is quite apparent from the Campbell report — in the discussion of the only 
two cases in which European companies have allegedly been targets of American secret intelligence collection. Of 
Thomson-CSF, the report says: "The company was alleged to have bribed members of the Brazilian government selection 
panel." Of Airbus, it says that we found that "Airbus agents were offering bribes to a Saudi official." These facts are 
inevitably left out of European press reports.  That's right, my continental friends, we have spied on you because you 
bribe. Your companies' products are often more costly, less technically advanced or both, than your American 
competitors'. As a result you bribe a lot. So complicit are your governments that in several European countries bribes 
still are tax-deductible.”

There are many more cases to choose from, yet few as straight-forward as this; a former official of the CIA says the 
agency justified a policy of American economic espionage because of a belief in the superiority of the American 
economic model. Thus economic espionage simply has to be justified somewhere within the American chain-of-command to be 
authorized. Never mind the irony when America says they have used government-sponsored espionage to prove that freedom 
from government interference is the best economic model. At least we know why and when it will happen, despite an 
absence of evidence from AV firms.

Davi

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Aitel
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:05 AM
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Subject: [Dailydave] Economic Espionage and Regin

It's been catchy to look at the Snowden papers and all the trojans coming out from "Western" governments and think that 
the 5 Eyes does espionage in an unrestricted way the way the Chinese and Russian Axis does. But they don't.

If they did, you'd see crowing reports from Kaspersky and Symantec that they found information being stolen from 
Russian banks to aide UK financial institutions. You'd see evidence in that M&A deals would be going weirdly well for 
the UK using information that clearly could only be gotten from hacking in the places Regin is found. This isn't what 
you're seeing. You're seeing in Regin a focus on looking at cell towers in areas where the UK is at war (Afghanistan).

While Regin clearly can be used to steal information, it's not stealing information from places where economic 
espionage is done. This is the opposite of what you find when you look at Russian or Chinese hacker teams, which often 
are clearly using the same toolchain to gather military intelligence and economic espionage. As I pointed out in my 
Business Insider 
article<http://www.businessinsider.com/expert-here-are-4-things-edward-snowden-gets-wildly-wrong-about-the-nsa-2014-10>,
  there's a big difference in the motivations and effects of the respective teams.

Dave Aitel
Immunity, Inc.

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