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Re: 2013 - A New Hope
From: Haroon Meer <haroon () thinkst com>
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 09:12:38 +0300
Hi Dave (all) On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Dave Aitel <dave () immunityinc com> wrote:
o The Snowden Event ...And everyone who says Cyber is a asymmetric warfare should be eating their words now, since you cannot believe the US Intel Community has succeeded to the level they have in this space and think it was a game for small players anymore. ... o The cementing of Leaks as cyberweapons Every reporter I talk to now who is starting a new venture has a foundational element of "some place people can send me leaked documents".
Your point on corporations vs. governments is well made, but I still don't easily get to the point where we have killed off the "Cyber is asymmetric" meme. It is clear from the leaks that the US IC has invested a lot (more than many other countries can afford to), and reaps the rewards of that investment (backing your argument that its symmetrical) but at the same time, "leaks" which are to be "cemented as cyberweapons" are typically carried out by individuals and "reporters starting new ventures". These are so tiny, yet capable of causing so much disruption to their bigger chosen nemesis that it almost defines asymmetry. When people talk about the "cybers" being asymmetrical, it doesn't mean that big guys are bad at it by virtue of them being big, it just means that the opposing ends can fight using completely different tactics (allowing the lil guy to effectively punch above his weight class). /mh -- Haroon Meer | Thinkst Applied Research http://thinkst.com/pgp/haroon.txt Tel: +27 83 786 6637 _______________________________________________ Dailydave mailing list Dailydave () lists immunityinc com https://lists.immunityinc.com/mailman/listinfo/dailydave
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