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Re: Quick Review: Cyberwar as a Confidence Game by Martin C. Libicki
From: delchi delchi <delchi () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:47:30 -0600
Sorry if I was unclear, that's what I was trying to say ... it is it's own domain , but no different than the other domains that are part of a whole. It doesn't deserve any special treatment or considerations. It has it's strengths and it's weaknesses. There is a time an a place for a cyber attack, there is a time and a place for a predator to deliver a few pounds of high explosives on a doorstep, and there is a time and a place to deploy a scout sniper team. Also there seems to be some disbelief in the kind of destruction that can be done. Tanks and missiles and things that go boom and explode are considered more powerful than cyber attacks which are painted as only capable of disabling a navigation system or scrambling some communications. There is no reason why more destructive results could not be had purely with a cyber attack. A valve shut here, an increase in fuel flow there , maybe a system strained beyond limits or a misconfiguration in a mixture and then you have the explosions and so on that the other domains are famous for. I feel we are strongly underestimating the potential for damage and destruction that a cyber attack could have. Val Smith said it best though - unless you are directly involved in it , then it's just speculation and a Sapphire & tonic while listening to Alex Jones. I can speak to what I have seen in my time and in my SOC, and not much else. On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Robert Lemos <mail () robertlemos com> wrote:
On Mar 22, 2011, at 7:39 AM, delchi delchi wrote:"But in war more than in any other subject we must begin by looking at the nature of the whole; for here more than elsewhere the part and the whole must always be thought of together. " -- Karl Von Clausewitz Cyber-war is nothing more than a buzword designed to discuss a specific type of war. In the end it's no more or less than saying that you are engaged in a 'shooting war' , a 'tank war' or an 'air war'. As each new technology emerges it finds it's way into war sooner or later and creates a new type of warfare.You only have half the answer here, IMO. Cyber can be a tool, but it's also its own domain, just like land, air, sea and space are their own domains. A tank or a crossbow is a weapon. You can have a cyber component that could be a weapon in another domain -- a virus disabling ship navigation systems, for example -- but an entire war could be fought in the cyber domain as well. So it's more than just another tank. I've seen a number of public presentations -- Gen. Hayden at Black Hat Vegas 2010, for example -- outlining the Pentagon's view of cyber and its developing doctrine there. I would highly recommend those as a starting point. I would say that Stuxnet is the first public, concrete example of that developing doctrine. So unlike Libicki, I think there will be many cases of Special Forces type uses of digital sabotage, missions where deniability is a key component. -R robert lemos | mail () robertlemos com cio.com | cso online | darkreading | infoworld | tech review | threatpost writer & journalist | http://www.robertlemos.com
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