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Re: This guy cracks me up.


From: Dave Aitel <dave () immunityinc com>
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:06:54 -0400

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Do I understand this correctly to mean that:
If OS X security is worse than Microsoft, but we still don't see OS X
people getting hacked, then the only possible explanation is that only
the majority OS gets hacked?

If I did a reasonably good translation, then my comment would be that
perhaps it's because OS X users are so horribly bad at security that
they never notice when they get hacked? This can be compounded by
hackers not doing obvious things like stealing money from their OS X
targets or putting up pop-ups, etc. Likewise, I think it would be
affected by OS X being rarely used in a corporate environment, and
hence not protected by the typical corporate IT trappings.

- -dave


dan () geer org wrote:
PREMISE: If as is often stated here and elsewhere and in various
heated ways, Mac OS X security is meaningfully inferior to the
Microsoft way, then

CONSEQUENT: The low observed attack rate against Mac OS X machines
cannot critically depend on the "insecurity" label being placed on
it.


Frankly, my dear, this leaves the protective effects of platform
diversity as the leading contender for the upstream cause of the
downstream effect, viz., low observed attack rates.


--dan, who notes that at the recent USENIX Security Symposium 35%
of the machines in the room for the keynote address had the Apple
logo, a 10-to-1 odds ratio when comparing to the population at
large.

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