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Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools
From: "Chen, Liran" <lchen () redsealnetworks com>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:24:21 -0700 (PDT)
Hi All, Just from my observation for this discussion I am trying to figure out what is it that Exxactly and others on the list are trying to achieve by looking into the "Centrealized Firewall Management and log analysis" space? are you looking for better security postures? are you looking for a better risk analysis ? what is the overall outcome you are looking for beside the Eugene of your firewall rule set? I am just curious for the end goal here. Thanks Liran Chen Note: i am representing a vendor called RedSeal Networks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "exzactly" <exzactly () hotmail com> To: "Mahmoud Kaddoura" <Mahmoud.Kaddoura () injazat com>, "Mikhail A. Utin" <mutin () commonwealthcare org>, "Anwar Khan" <anwarrhce () gmail com>, "Ron McKown" <RMcKown () apptio com> Cc: "Marian Paun" <marian.paun () gmail com>, security-basics () securityfocus com Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 7:20:18 PM Subject: Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools check out Algosec -----Original Message----- From: Mahmoud Kaddoura Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:27 PM To: Mikhail A. Utin ; Anwar Khan ; Ron McKown Cc: Marian Paun ; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools We have done POC for many of these products (Arcsight , RSA, ...) and all of them have issues and limitations Archsight needs some effort to get implemented but they have an amazing dashboard where you can easily identify abnormalities in your network While others and mainly RSA , it is agentless , easy to deploy for many products but it needs some experts/high skills to identify abnormalities -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Mikhail A. Utin Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:45 PM To: Anwar Khan; Ron McKown Cc: Marian Paun; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools I would say that nothing is perfect in this world. The opinion below sounds as not professional. Even careful consideration of Gartner research of 2011 will show that ArcSight, Q1Labs and NitroSecurity are very close in Gartner used parameters/capabilities. Not to mention a few others. Each has own approach, but features and capabilities are very close. People consider that Q1Lab is much easier to install and use than ArcSight. There are some examples when people switch from ArcSight to other products because of complexity of ArcSight management and configuration. AlienVault, for instance, is the leader in installations, by the information on their site, but I would not expect them cheating. As far as I remember, ArcSight does not provide such very important feature as "external database logging". This is actually my term. It means that database logs are extracted from either network traffic or from internal transactions, and which is 10 times better than any original database logging. For instance, you can catch SQL injection. NitroSecurity does that, and, BTW, has IDS/IPS completely integrated with other appliances. This list can continue for dozens of pages. The point is - there is no ideal solution, and this is NOT money issue at all. Mikhail Utin, CISSP Information Security Analyst -----Original Message----- From: Anwar Khan [mailto:anwarrhce () gmail com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 11:57 PM To: Ron McKown Cc: Mikhail A. Utin; Marian Paun; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools Hi All, I would say, if you have budget and looking for long time solution, ArcSight is best as we are using it. All competitors have limitations and drawbacks, not ArcSight. On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ron McKown <RMcKown () apptio com> wrote:
Mikhail, I would very much like to see your SIEM research paper. Thanks. - Ron McKown, CISSP - Sent from a tablet device On May 4, 2012, at 9:56 AM, "Mikhail A. Utin" <mutin () commonwealthcare org> wrote:By my research, and a couple of published in 2011 reviews, all ArcSight competitors provide very similar features and capabilities. They reached the point where they can only improve, but not invent or develop something really different. I would not trust Gartner in its research (they rated ArcSight as top of the line product) and the Magic Quadrant as well. Guys were missing point very often. Each SIEM vendor has its own approach how to create a line of SIEM products. Almost all are appliances. There are just a few software providing vendors. Almost all have "all-in-one" low end appliance solution. Yes, HP got ArcSight to use in its services, which are expensive, and that started affecting the company's "technical" position. BTW, two other major vendors - Q1Lab and NitroSecurity are not independent anymore as well. If the list is interested, I can polish my SIEM research draft and publish it. Mikhail Utin, CISSP Information Security Analyst -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Marian Paun Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 4:37 AM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools We had several years experiente with Quest Intrust and were not very impressed by it (huge performance issues when the event rate or number of event sources grow above a certain threshold, ridiculous correlation capabilities, administration nightmare). For around one year and half we are using Arcsight and are delighted with it. It _is_ expensive, but great value for money. Not very sure if the product will keep up after Arcsight was purchased by HP :( Marian -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Andy Smith Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:04 AM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:12 PM, john dow <guest01 () gmail com> wrote:If money is not a concern, I would recommend Check Point. We have quite a big Check Point deployment as well as Juniper Firewalls, Phion/Baracuda Firewalls and some Cisco Firewalls (ASA, PIX). Check Point has by far the best tools for managing a centralized deployment. Even their IPS-blade is much better now that I has been before. For log analysis you could use Check Point Eventia Reporter and with Tufin, you can do much more, e.g. track changes, compliance, ... 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- Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools, (continued)
- Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools john dow (May 03)
- Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools Andy Smith (May 04)
- RE: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools Marian Paun (May 04)
- RE: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools Mikhail A. Utin (May 04)
- Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools Ron McKown (May 04)
- Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools Anwar Khan (May 08)
- RE: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools Mikhail A. Utin (May 08)
- RE: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools Mahmoud Kaddoura (May 08)
- Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools exzactly (May 10)
- Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools Chen, Liran (May 10)
- Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools exzactly (May 14)
- Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools Andy Smith (May 04)
- Re: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools Thugzclub (May 08)
- RE: Centralized firewall management and log analysis tools Mikhail A. Utin (May 04)