Re: Re[2]: Wikileaks, Afghanistan war logs leaked by hackers

["Adam Pal" <pal_adam () gmx net>]

Hello Lawrence,

Interesting to see that you replied as i expected.
Your arguments:
i) president and congress elected: there are different lobbies in whose interest the elections are and will be 
performed. I am not going to start a political discussion by enlarging that topic
ii) asking the representants how you do the job: i dont want to know what they think about how the job is done, i want 
to know how it is done. Thanks that you agree with me, that people have a right to know it.
iii) execution of a war plan: a war is too dynamic to be fully planed.
iv) we serve for something bigger than us: yes, you soldiers serve the people and you shall not forget that neither 
confuse it with serving for ministery of defense. If you do, thake a look at totalitary systems to be aware of the 
consequences...
v) i dont really have a freedom, as i am protected from too much freedom in a very democratic way. However i take 
myself the freedom to express my thoughts, but to correct your statement: a freedom to complain is nothing i have, but 
something i take. Complaining about the "wrong things" might cause the ones who "serve something higher" to protect the 
freedom from my opinion... right?

best regards,
A. Pal


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> Datum: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:49:07 -0400
> Von: Lawrence D Chavis Jr <lchavisjr () bellsouth net>
> An: Adam Pal <pal_adam () gmx net>
> CC: "security-basics () securityfocus com" <security-basics () securityfocus com>
> Betreff: Re: Re[2]: Wikileaks, Afghanistan war logs leaked by hackers

> It is the role of the President and the military leadership to run and
> execute a war plan. It is the job if the people to elect the president and
> congress. If you want to know how the war is going ask your congressman or
> president. If you don't like the way they are executing the war elect new ones
> but do not risk my life or my soldiers because you don't want to ask
> instead you want to take. if people have nothing at stake they tend to say
> things they really will not follow thru on what they say but soldiers are not
> pawns to prove a point. We serve for something bigger than us and we don't
> pretend to protect anything we protect what we are asked to protect and we do
> it well! You still have your freedom to complain correct?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 2, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Adam Pal <pal_adam () gmx net> wrote:
>
> > Hello Lawrence,
> >
> > Following your argumentation (in line with the argumentation
> > of another veteran on the list), i have one simple question:
> >
> > why or for what reason do you or the US military fear, that the people
> > whose interest you pretend to protect (during the war) get an insight
> > (view) on _how_ you are doing it?
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Best regards,
> > Adam Pal   
> >
> > Friday, July 30, 2010, 7:39:55 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > <==============Original message text===============
> > LDCJ> Since I am probably the only military vet and war vet on the
> > LDCJ> email chain I would hope that people wouldn't be so selfish and
> > LDCJ> irresponsible to leak any information that they or anybody else
> > LDCJ> does not néed to know. So if you are not under the gun you don't
> > LDCJ> need to know and neither does the American people unless they
> > LDCJ> are coming over to lend a hand. Our lives and our allies lives
> > LDCJ> are at stake that is not propaganda
> >
> > LDCJ> Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > LDCJ> On Jul 29, 2010, at 9:20 PM, "Tim Clewlow" <tim () clewlow org>
> wrote:
> > > > > blah blah blah... yes i would rather sit back in the times when all
> > > > > we heard was the propaganda of the war machine and no real
> > > > > information EVER got to the people... ah the good old blissful
> > > > > times...
> > > > > this is a good start for one  heck of a flamewar.. so which flame
> > > > > should we start? american "national security" vs the worlds interest
> > > > > to know or "leaking" real information that is in direct contrast to
> > > > > lies published by the government?
> > > > >
> > > > > answer this: Who watches the watchers? :)
> > > > >
> > > > > <sits back and get  some popcorn>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jul 27, 2010, at 4:18 AM, andrew.wallace wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Julian Assange alleges it was a computer hacker who accessed
> > > > > > databases via the
> > > > > > internet who gave him the Afghanistan war logs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This highlights the need for tighter cyber security laws, not only
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > researchers such as Tavis Ormandy making irresponsible technical
> > > > > > flaw
> > > > > > disclosures, anonymous hackers are leaking national security
> > > > > > information  to
> > > > > > Wikileaks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We really need to get tougher cyber security laws in place to
> > > > > > tackle what's
> > > > > > going on...
> http://n3td3v.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-afghanistan-war-logs-leaked.html
> > > > > > Andrew Wallace
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > Please get your facts straight, no-one hacked into anything. Army
> > > > intelligence analyst Brad Manning was deployed in Iraq and had
> > > > access to classified intelligence networks as a normal part of his
> > > > job. He simply copied the files to a CD and walked out with them.
> > > >
> > > > Brad then created the nic bradass87 and went online asking if anyone
> > > > wanted a copy of his disk. Someone said yes, and then it got handed
> > > > over to wikileaks.
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Tim.
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