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Re: Preventing tunnels through HTTPS proxies
From: Aarón Mizrachi <unmanarc () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:34:18 -0430
On Martes 16 Junio 2009 20:18:17 Michal Ludvig escribió:
Hi all, as you probably know it's very easy to bypass egress filters on a network as soon as there's an internal HTTPS proxy available. There are many packages laying around for all kinds of operating systems that make setting up a tunnel or VPN through such proxies a breeze. I wonder how to prevent these abuses? Clearly the traffic pattern for a VPN will be distinguishable from a genuine HTTPS traffic - but how to detect it? Alternatively playing a man-in-the-middle on the proxy, decrypting all the traffic, inspecting that it's indeed HTTP and encrypting back with a key signed by a private CA that all the desktops in the corporation would trust may be another option. Any other ideas? It would, in fact, be enough to learn that it was a VPN traffic afterwards, we don't necessarily need to kill the tunnel in realtime (although it would be nice). Since this kind of proxy abuse is forbidden by the company IT policy the trespasser's managers would deal with it at the HR level anyway. However net ops will have to provide some evidence. Does anyone know of any tools that can be used for this detection? Ideally something open source (or commercial but not insanely expensive) that could be used in conjunction with a Squid proxy? Other suggestions are welcome as well.
I know that some proxies could be used for mitm and filtering, (i don't remember technical details now... its with MITM SSL technique and not with "CONNECT" http proxy command as you said). However... the main issue is: the SSL certificate management. This will be extremely harmful for availability or security, or either. Certificates of each page can't be handled by your browser now... If you block every non-accepted certificate at proxy level, the availability of many websites will be dramatically affected. Otherwise, if you accept every certificate, secure sites like online banks and webmails will be compromised. Bad enough to discard this method. ---------------------- And also, have in mind some things... i don't think that i will be so useful. An attacker could even use undetectable covert channels over HTTPS using the POST HTTP command. with the "HTTP POST" command, the attacker could send encrypted packets over it, acting as a website posting some info... and then... the endpoint could call a tun/tap packet writer to put the packet on a tunnel virtual interface. The returning packets comes from http post responce... All of this looks like HTTP(s) legitim traffic. The only pattern that you can detect is the frequency of http queries... But... again, its also relative... an attacker could put a delay on his http vpn system to avoid detections. The attacker could also open two channels. One for posting packets and one for receiving packets constantly. This connection could be a simulation of a big download, but its a VPN.
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- Preventing tunnels through HTTPS proxies Michal Ludvig (Jun 17)
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