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RE: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police
From: "Murda" <murdamcloud () bigpond com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:00:49 +1000
Hi Ian, I wasn't actually disputing their TOS or even holding it against them. They certainly can have whatever TOS they wish. I don't use Facebook but not because of their TOS. I think there are valid reasons for being anonymous on the net as I also think there are invalid reasons for being anonymous. I was just trying to make the point to the OP that his assertion that the police are violating laws or rights (two different things) is not as simple as first thought. The whole area of privacy and how old school laws are trying to keep up with the area of the internet fascinates me. Also, privacy in countries which have draconian measures in place to prevent the populace from speaking out against them or from accessing 'prohibited' political material is definitely something which will be impacted(in the future) by certain websites' TOS. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Bradshaw [mailto:ian () ianbradshaw net] Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 2:29 AM To: 'Murda Mcloud'; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police If you dont like the way they do things then just use a different service ... its there service, they can have whatever TOS they wish. -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Murda Mcloud Sent: 04 December 2009 05:42 To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: FW: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police Has anyone tested the 'policy' in a court of law? Ie, someone has created a 'fake' profile and then been sued or prosecuted by Facebook for doing so? They have been sued by real people who had their names used on the fake profiles, though. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jul/24/facebook.privacy I'm sure people have made all manner of defamatory statements on Facebook using the 'anonymity' of it. Google were recently forced to reveal the name of an anonymous blogger. http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/model-forces-google-to-reve al-skank-bloggers-identity-20090819-epz0.html If the police were to stray on the wrong side of the law(which never happens...) in using the 'fake' identity then perhaps they could be prosecuted. I can't see that Facebook's policy actually, physically stops you from creating a fake ID but if they were to find out that you had done so, then they would be 'justified' in deleting your account, and if the real person you have pretended to be finds out, then you could be in trouble. If, however, I said my name was Zaphod Beeblebrox(apologies to Douglas Adams) then would I get in trouble? -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com] On Behalf Of Stephen Mullins Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:42 AM To: Michael.Barber () wellsfargo com Cc: netinfinity.securitylab () gmail com; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police People assuming false identities on MY internet? Heaven forbid. I am quite appalled by this drastic revelation. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 3:12 PM, <Michael.Barber () wellsfargo com> wrote:
Interesting take on the situation... however if you extend internet to
real life your argument takes on a different tone. By your reasoning it should be illegal for law enforcement to go undercover. If you assume it is legal for a cop to go undercover ... then he/she is using a real name. Therefore no laws or policy's are being broken.
Just my 0.02. -----Original Message----- From: listbounce () securityfocus com [mailto:listbounce () securityfocus com]
On Behalf Of netinfinity
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:46 PM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police "Facebook policy requires the use of one's real name to sign up, but they let the police use fake names.." Sure the policy says that but a lot of people are changing their names on a daily basis (ok maybe not daily). And majority of those changes are just for fun, but never the less they are against the policy. What about those people? Only way to verify or check someone's name is through IP (ISP). And that can't be done by will.. It must have some legal grounds... Let me get to the point, I'm sure that police is violating some some kind of human rights or even law's (?) -- netinfinity ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Securing Apache Web Server with thawte Digital Certificate In this guide we examine the importance of Apache-SSL and who needs an SSL
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Current thread:
- RE: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police Michael.Barber (Dec 01)
- Re: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police Stephen Mullins (Dec 01)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police martinez85 (Dec 01)
- FW: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police Murda Mcloud (Dec 04)
- Re: FW: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police arpunk (Dec 10)
- RE: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police Murda (Dec 10)