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RE: A more detailed description of the Jura F90 vulnerability.
From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor () hammerofgod com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:06:21 -0700
So you've published what some would call 0day information on a "remotely exploitable" vulnerability that allows one to compromise another's workstation using the "I tried" justification? That seems hardly appropriate for a man of your stature, Craig. Even if the actual risk of exploitation is very low due to other mitigating factors, responsible disclosure policies should be respected. But you did manage to get some nice press in CNET, huh? By the way, I'm sure you actually executed code as POC rather than just assuming that you could based on the calls you identified by reverse engineering the binaries, right? I guess I'm also curious how you are classifying this as "remotely exploitable" when what you describe in your "detailed description" sounds more like you would have to get a victim to go to your evil web site first or download your coffee "recipe" somehow and feed them to the coffee maker, right? Or is the maker actually listening for connections and the assumption is that people will connect it directly to the internet and not behind some NAT device? Given your apparent full-disclosure policy, you won't mind sharing POC code with us, right? (even though most people don't have your kind of money to buy a $2000 coffee machine to test it on ;). I think given all the attention you've received about this that the most complete and accurate information should be made available to the public. t
-----Original Message----- From: Craig Wright [mailto:Craig.Wright () bdo com au] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:43 PM To: Thor (Hammer of God); security-basics () lists securityfocus com; bugtraq () securityfocus com Subject: RE: A more detailed description of the Jura F90
vulnerability.
I have attempted to. They are not the easiest company to contact. I am sending more details to the firm that tests their products. They seem to be a shell with a large number of outsourced arrangements. Craig Craig Wright Manager, Risk Advisory Services Direct : +61 2 9286 5497 Craig.Wright () bdo com au +61 417 683 914 BDO Kendalls (NSW-VIC) Pty. Ltd. Level 19, 2 Market Street Sydney NSW 2000 GPO BOX 2551 Sydney NSW 2001 Fax +61 2 9993 9497 http://www.bdo.com.au/ The information in this email and any attachments is confidential. If you are not the named addressee you must not read, print, copy, distribute, or use in any way this transmission or any information it contains. If you have received this message in error, please notify
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vulnerability.
Have you shared all of this with the manufacturer first? t-----Original Message----- From: Craig Wright [mailto:Craig.Wright () bdo com au] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:10 PM To: security-basics () lists securityfocus com;bugtraq () securityfocus comSubject: A more detailed description of the Jura F90 vulnerability. The issue is a lack of input validation. OWASP would be a great learning exercise for the coders on this product. It seems to be assumed that only trust-worthy users will connect only to trust-worthysites. I could not find any evidence of input validation. Through the magic of Web Scarab and Paros proxy, one can capture the Internet communications used by the F90 Internet Connection Kit software. What you soon see is that the software does not account
for
either bypassing the local application and changing the input or in spoofed and re-directed sites. The software does not validate the site it gets the information from nor does it sufficiently validate the input to the software. At the moment as I think there are so few people as crazy as I am
who
actually have to have a gadget just as it is Internet connected;
this
is not likely to become a widespread attack vector. The software is an oversized web proxy with other stuff to connect
to
the coffee machine thrown in. Jura did not make the assumption thatanevil attacker could purposefully modify and publish "evil" coffee "recipes. I have been taking the updated SANS@Home 610 course. I have a GREM,butLenny and the other guys have added an additional component to the Reverse Engineering Malware Course. So I had to take it. The course focuses on analysing and reversing malware, but IDA andOllywork on binaries of all types and the bad combination of a bottle of good resiling and 9 coffees after midnight is not a good
combination.
Hence I decided to attack my coffee maker and the control software. There are certain aspects of code (like the ever faithful GETS() function) that should be beaten from existence. Others need to be securely configured such that all the required variable fields are entered correctly (see SPRINTF()). Unfortunately the coders at Juradidnot consider that "bad people" would ever attack a coffee maker ;). There are 2 main attacks that I have noted, 1 Loading a malicious setting or recipe into the device
causing
a"coffee overflow" etc. 2 More seriously, not validating the input correctly coupledwitha lack of authorisation of the source and nothing to stop invaliddataat the host means that malformed strings can be fed to the software that can either crash the system or if crafted correctly run a
binary
on the host. So, as most people who check this list I no doubt know, notvalidatinginput is bad. Trusting the web as you have a piece of custom
software
that is closed source and a belief that users are all nice is bad. Regards, Craig Wright GSE-Compliance PS for DMCA compliance reasons I would state that I was not
reversing
the software, but rather inputting unusual coffee recipes that had a strange binary flavour ;) Craig Wright Manager, Risk Advisory Services Direct : +61 2 9286 5497 Craig.Wright () bdo com au +61 417 683 914 BDO Kendalls (NSW-VIC) Pty. Ltd. Level 19, 2 Market Street Sydney NSW 2000 GPO BOX 2551 Sydney NSW 2001 Fax +61 2 9993 9497 http://www.bdo.com.au/ The information in this email and any attachments is confidential.
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