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Re: ADS Password Storage Protection
From: Michael Rice <michael () riceclan org>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:40:13 -0500
Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers wrote:
I think his assertion works out mathematically. The possible combinations of 6 character passwords using only lowercase letters of the alphabet areOn 2006-07-20 Roger A. Grimes wrote:Here is my statement: That password length is a better defender of passwords than complexity, character for character, and that length should at least be given equal treatment when creating strongpasswords.I agree with the latter of your statement, but the former is plain wrong. Length and complexity are equivalent, i.e. you can increase either length or complexity (or both of course) to make a stronger password. That's pretty obvious if you think about e.g. base64-encoding a password: the encoding increases the length and decreases the complexity, but doesn't affect the strength at all. It's due to the physical limitations of keyboards that it's usually easier to increase the length than the complexity.
26^6 = 308915776The possible combination of 16 character passwords using only lowercase letters are:
26^16 = 43608742899428874059776The possible combinations of 6 character passwords using a-zA-Z0-9 and your favorite 32 punctuation:
95^6 = 735091890625You can see, in n^k, increasing k means increasing the outcome much faster than increasing n. Increasing the possible combinations means increasing the time to discover the password through pure brute force methods.
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- AW: ADS Password Storage Protection Christian . Assfalg (Jul 21)
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- AW: ADS Password Storage Protection Christian . Assfalg (Jul 21)
- RE: ADS Password Storage Protection Roger A. Grimes (Jul 21)
- Re: ADS Password Storage Protection Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers (Jul 24)
- Re: ADS Password Storage Protection Michael Rice (Jul 25)
- RE: ADS Password Storage Protection Roger A. Grimes (Jul 25)
- RE: ADS Password Storage Protection Roger A. Grimes (Jul 21)
- Re: AW: ADS Password Storage Protection Joe Barr (Jul 21)
- RE: ADS Password Storage Protection Roger A. Grimes (Jul 24)
- AW: ADS Password Storage Protection Christian . Assfalg (Jul 21)