RE: RE: Wireless Security

["Herman Frederick Ebeling, Jr." <hfebelingjr () lycos com>]

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From: G. Allen Johnson [mailto:gallenjohnson () sbcglobal net]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 October, 2005 22:58
To: hfebelingjr () lycos com
Subject: RE: RE: Wireless Security

::: Then couldn't a
::: person (or their lawyer) who has had their
::: wireless network (or even a wired network) hacked make the same claim about
::: the information that their computer is
::: providing to Windows explorer?
:
: As another fellow on this same subject told you, passive activity should be
: very defensible, such as reading that return address, but active scanning
: will get you into trouble.

And wouldn't that be a passive activity?

:
::: Using your own analogy admin/security tools are just admin/security tools
::: until someone uses them to gain unauthorized
::: access to a computer that they wouldn't normally have access to. . .
::: Correct?
:
: Correct.  Just about every hacker tool out there either has a "pen-test"
: equivalent, or was designed as such to begin with.  Now bear in mind
: however, that while possession of the tool alone wouldn't be grounds for
: arrest, it could give an investigating officer probably cause, and that
: comes w/ its own sets of problems and permutations.
:
: G. Allen Johnson.
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: Herman Frederick Ebeling, Jr. [mailto:hfebelingjr () lycos com]
: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 8:00 PM
: To: another () roundcube net; Security-Basics
: Subject: RE: RE: Wireless Security
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: From: Another User [mailto:another () roundcube net]
: Sent: Monday, 17 October, 2005 19:14
: To: hfebelingjr () lycos com
: Subject: Re: RE: Wireless Security
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:: this is cool. I think I like this.
::
:: On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:01:36 -0400, "Herman Frederick Ebeling, Jr."
:: <hfebelingjr () lycos com> wrote:
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::: G. Allen,
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:::     Using your analogy of someone putting their outgoing snail mail into "your"
::: mailbox and how their return address is
::: personal information that they've released into the public.  Then couldn't a
::: person (or their lawyer) who has had their
::: wireless network (or even a wired network) hacked make the same claim about
::: the information that their computer is
::: providing to Windows explorer?
:::
:::     I mean we all know that there is a certain amount of information that can
be
::: gleaned from a computer hooked to the
::: network without actually opening said computer.
:::
:::     And as I am sure as we all know now all "hackers" are bad.  As we would not
::: have a lot of the admin/security tools
::: that we now enjoy IF it weren't for "hackers."  Nor would people know about
::: the security problems that are present in
::: some systems/software.  But sadly the media (at present) "likes" to call
::: anyone and everyone who commits a crime with a
::: computer a "hacker" whether they are or not.  All that matters to the media
::: is that a crime was committed and that a
::: computer was used to commit that crime, so ergo the person who committed
said
::: crime "MUST" be a "hacker. . ."
:::
:::     I mean using the way the media uses the term hacker the dumpster diver who
::: compiles a database of names and CC numbers
::: and mail order catalogs that they've ordered from is also a "hacker." Even
::: though s/he could do the same thing with a
::: notebook and a pen/pencil. . .
:::
:::     Using your own analogy admin/security tools are just admin/security tools
::: until someone uses them to gain unauthorized
::: access to a computer that they wouldn't normally have access to. . .
Correct?
:::
::: Herman
:
: Does this mean that I've gotten something "right" here???
:
: Herman
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