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RE: University Degree or CISSP
From: "McKinley, Jackson" <Jackson.McKinley () team telstra com>
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:11:55 +1000
From personal experience Ive found it works both ways. Sure having the degree and cert will get you pas the first cut but then it really starts. So you impress the managers with your cert and degree's in what ever field and you get your second interview. Now what happens? Well normally you meet the team leader and his "head" tech. Most of the time they wont be all that impressed with your papers and want you to prove you have the ability to take what you have learnt in the class room to the real world where you don't have access to everything and you have the all important and biggest road block to troubleshooting... The customer :P ahahha Ive seen people that look REAL good on paper and one sticks out from them all.. Hired as a lvl3 engineer in a SOC, then we all had to cover him for 2 mths till we just gave up and it was plain to the manager and he was asked to leave... He had it all, Masters, CCNP, MCSE, etc, etc... What he didn't have was a clue about the real world.. Give him a fault and he couldn't work it back, just didn't have the "Stuff" you get from hands on experience. What I guess I'm saying is that its not just about your bits of paper.. But its more about you. Personally I have a couple and they are normally so I can make it past the recruitment companies cutting.. Then its all about my work experience, my thirst to learn more and what I sell to employers as "My abilities to see things other people don't" :P Since this is what I do as a threat analyst.. Think about where you want to be doing in 5, 10, 15 years... Find what you need to do those jobs and start doing it, always making sure you are moving, moving sideways or forward never backwards.. Cheers Jack. -----Original Message----- From: tbost () valocity com [mailto:tbost () valocity com] Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2005 10:11 AM To: gillettdavid () fhda edu Cc: soumyadipta_das () yahoo com; security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: RE: University Degree or CISSP I agree with you. Its about getting the interview AND getting the job. After that, its all about performance. The degree and/or certifications mean nothing after that. Getting the job is marketing yourself. What can you offer or what have you done that makes you stand out in the crowd ? Be different. Get a degree AND the certifications. It doesn't have to be either/or. More importantly though, let the employers know how passionate you are about the field. Go to work extra early. Leave later. Buy books and read,read, read outside the scope of getting a degree or certification. -T
CISSP is likely to be necessary to get to some of the places you might want to go. But you can't get it without experience, so it's not a good answer to your question. At this point, I'd say the degree is most critical. There are too many employers where the HR bureaucracy never heard of any of these certifications -- all they know is that a great way to trim the candidate pool is to chuck out any resume that doesn't include a degree. So without it, you risk never getting to the interviewer who knows the field and the certs and can decide whether you can do the job. David Gillett-----Original Message----- From: soumyadipta_das () yahoo com [mailto:soumyadipta_das () yahoo com] Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 2:30 AM To: security-basics () securityfocus com Subject: University Degree or CISSP Is it better (in terms of technology and industry acceptablity) to get a university degree on information security than
certifications such as ccna/ccsp, ceh (or security+) and cissp? Soum
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- RE: University Degree or CISSP Brunner, Mark (Aug 30)
- RE: University Degree or CISSP Nidschelm, Robert (Aug 30)
- Re: University Degree or CISSP Dave Aronson (SecBasics) (Aug 30)
- RE: University Degree or CISSP Christopher Carpenter (Aug 30)
- Re: University Degree or CISSP bgreene (Aug 30)
- Re: University Degree or CISSP Steven Kalcevich (Aug 31)
- RE: University Degree or CISSP Spahn, Louis (Aug 31)
- RE: University Degree or CISSP Francis Kaitano (Aug 31)
- RE: University Degree or CISSP Christopher Carpenter (Aug 31)
- RE: University Degree or CISSP McKinley, Jackson (Aug 31)